I'm looking for info on Emily Manfield b.3 Jun 1850 or 1852 Father -- Lewis Manfield Mother --- Aurilla Beeman or Beaman Thank you Becky Morris

Someone pointed out to me that Wilma's grandfather's numbers didn't add up, so I looked to see what I could find on the same subject. For me that doesn't affect the power of his speech, but it does make me curious as to where the numbers came from. [and I wouldn't want to pass the numbers on without including their context, and noting the discrepancies] I have no doubt that with a list as exacting as his was, he read it someplace & I'd love to know of the source of his numbers. The source I have is EB Long's _The Civil War, Day by Day_ Doubleday, 1971,p707. Long cites _Ages of US Volunteer Soldiers, U.S. Sanitary Commission_, NY, 1866 pp5-6. The Sanitary commission's report follows the end of the war so closely that their figures are sure to have been adjusted later, accounting for some of the differences. [look at the jump between 17 & 18 year olds<g>] I think I remember a similar discussion on one of the Civil War newsgroups, so Dejanews might have some more on ages-- but in the meantime..... "gencon" <gencon@harborside.com> wrote: -snip- > Listen to the figures taken officially from the Adjutant Generals Office: > > Those enlisted at: > 10 years of age & under...................25 > 11 years of age. ...............................38 > 12 years of age................................225 > 13 years of age................................300 > 14 years of age.............................1,520 > 15 years of age........................104,987 > 16 years of age.........................231,051 > 17 years of age.........................844,891 > 18 years of age.....................2,151,438 > 21 years of age.....................2,159,891 > 22 years & over.......................618,511 > 25 years & over.........................46,326 > 45 years & over.........................16,071 > > Making a total of 2,778,309 and of this number 2,159,789 were under > twenty-one years of age. I wonder if he[or someone before him] saw a column that was a cumulative number representing those 'under age 21', etc-- and they added them together? The Sanitary commission only has about 500,000 below age 21-- a huge difference.-- Not to mention George's statement 'making a total of 2,778,309-- after he has listed over 5,000,000. [Long gives the total enlistments for the Federal force as 2,778,304- though he qualifies that with "it must be born in mind that many thousands .. enlisted more than once...Estimates run from 1,550,000 to 2,200,000 federals." With that in mind, it would be possible for a single person to be counted as a 13, 14, 15,& 16 yr old. [or even more than once at a single age- some enlistments only lasted days or weeks- many were 1yr or 6 months] Long says; "All but 1.5% of the enlisted men in the Federal Army were between 18 and 46 at the time of enlistment; all but 3.3% of the officers fell into that age bracket. The average age was slightly under 26 years"... There were; 127 aged 13 330 aged 14 773 aged 15 2758 aged 16 6425 aged 17 133, 475 aged 18 90,215 aged 19 71,058 aged 20 97,136 aged 21 "From there it gradually went down until" by age 45; 7012 aged 45 967 aged 46 2366 aged 50 or over. jim

Hi everyone, Just thought this might be some help to someone and to kind of show you what goes on at our free on-line lectures. For the beginning genealogist, there are many avenues to take while beginning your family history...to start, remember to exhaust all your home resources. Photographs, letters, family bibles, certificates, etc. Even talking to your older aunts, uncles, cousins will help begin to fit the puzzle together piece by piece, date by date. Once all home resources and relatives have been gone through with a fine tooth comb so to speak...then you can "branch" out into different directions. No pun intended... One or more of family historians may have an idea about looking into state or county records, but never really gone to the depths in doing so. Think again...take time to "go the distance". Zero in on what state your ancestor had lived, then the county. Also remember to have a time frame when your ancestor lived in that state/county. Read through your genealogy magazines and read what the articles have to offer on state or county records. You would be surprised as to how many resources there are in the state archives or state library in the state where your ancestor lived. Who knows..you might run across a gold mine! For those of you who are researching McKean or Potter County in Pennsylvania, you might be interested in knowing what the PA State Archives and/or the State Library has to offer the serious genealogist. Researching online for the PA State Library...I could not find it up front or directly. I visited the Commonwealth of PA web site at www.state.pa.us/, but could not find the State Library specifically. So I e-mailed the web master of that site. He sent back a message and informed me that the State Library is under the Department of Education. This you would not associate with the State Library...or would you? Anyway, in checking out the web site for the State Library of PA..I found the following: Public Reading Room Hours, How to Reach Us, Collections, State Library Catalog via ACCESS: PA's database, Brief History of the State LIbrary, Revised Classification Scheme for PA State Publications, Other Information that details census records, researchers, naturalizations, AND used book dealers (who would have thought?). Under the "Collections", it reads...The State Library's collections total more than 987,000 volumes and reflect its mission. ....The Library maintains extensive collections in subject areas related to official state business and public policy areas...strongly in the fields of public administration......down to PA history and genealogy. The Library does not purchase books for children or popular best-seller titles. Under the Genealogy/Local History paragraph...this collection contains important PA genealogies and local histories, including several hundred unpublished compilations of church and cemetery records. Approximately 13,500 titles are in microfilm, including federal census for PA [1790-1920] most of the National Archives microfilm publications relating to PA and the complete microfiche collection entitled Genealogy/Local History, as published since 1979. Among unique indexes for genealogical research there is a surname and place-name card file. Genealogy/Local history materials must be used on site and cannot be borrowed. For further reading, you may wish to check the following on the web site...Brief Guide to the Collections; Genealogical Research in the Published PA Archives; and Records of Interests to Genealogists. The Library is the official depository for all printed publications of the Commonwealth of PA. The Library has over 40,000 titles, many dating back to colonial times. Some 2500 new titles published by state gov't are added each year. Legal materials and government publications may be borrowed. Check out the PA Historical & Museum Commission's web page. A list of gov't records currently available for research at the PA State Archives can be found there. The State Library collection includes PA newspapers, which is the largest in existence... consisting more than 75,000 microfilm reels and over 2000 bound volumes. The Library subscribes to 171 current newspapers; all major dailies published in PA; at least one newspaper from every county in PA; major national newspapers and selected English-language foreign papers. By the way, the State Library is in Harrisburg, PA. Home of Gov. Tom Ridge {from Erie, of course}. Also check the sub web page for Records of Interest to Genealogists that describes "PA Birth & Death Records", "PA Newspapers", "PA Marriage Records", and "PA Divorce Records". There is also a web page describing "Naturalizations & Naturalization Records" in the Genealogy/Local History Reading Room. Another sub web page describes "Census Records"...from 1790 to 1840, 1850-1870, 1880, 1890, 1900, 1910, 1920, and the Soundex. If you make plans to visit Harrisburg, be sure to write down the hours for the State Library and the State Archives. Visit the Library first; then the State Archives as this is open on Saturdays. As for New York State, I checked out www.sara.nysed.gov/. This is the web site for the NY State Archives & Records Administration in Albany at the Empire State Bldg. In reviewing the web page for "Records & Resources in the NYS Archives", there are listed such things as Birth,Death, Marriage Index Search; Military Service Search Request Form; Canal Records; Probate Records; Records Relating to Women; Vital Records; Native American Records; Genealogical Sources; Electronic Records; Local Records; and Photographic Collections. 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While a great deal of misinformation about state census exists, fortunately, that has been remedied by a recent publication by Ann Lainhart in 1992." The state census were usually done in the years ending in "5"...such as 1905, 1915, 1925. They are usually not as comprehensive in scope as the Federal census, but are also an extreme value to genealogists. Here is a list of states who have their own censuses. The states with only one state census are: Arkansas, California, Colorado, "Dakota" in 1885, Indiana, Maryland, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, and Vermont. Other states with a few censuses are: Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and North Dakota. Now the states who have the most state censuses are: Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Wisconsin. Sorry, Pennsylvania did not take advantage of having state census as well as the other states not listed above. New York State has state census for 1825, 1835, 1855, 1865, 1875, 1892, 1905, 1915, 1925; NYC for 1890, 1905, 1915, and 1925. Make note that these state censuses could be a substitute for the destroyed 1890 Federal census; not as complete, but should be reviewed. In closing, if you have other states to research other than Pennsylvania or New York, you can locate those state libraries or archives at www.state + state abbrievation + .us/. Exclusions are Maryland [www.mec.state.md.us/]; Michigan [www.migov.state.mi.us/]; Montana [www. mt.gov/]; Washington [www.wa.gov/] and Washington DC [www.capcityon-line.com]. These sites will give you valuable information to researching your ancestory's state and county. Happy Hunting!

"gencon" <gencon@harborside.com> wrote: >A few days ago I sent to the list...a list of the ages of the men and boys >in the civil war. I have been asked by a few people to post the complete >letter from my great grandfather... here it is.. Wilma, Thank you much for sharing this. It is a great reminder. I'll bet your grandfather never imagined that 90 years after he gave this speech it would be giving gooseflesh to a new generation of listeners. > too bad we don't have this same feelings for the men and boys that have > served us during any war & respected them for their sacrifice.. I suppose it depends on a lot of things, but my impression is that we do. Maybe it's just my family.[though I haven't found any career military men, my children have 2 parents, 3 grandparents, 4 gr-grandparents and *many* gr-gr's who are NY Veterans. 6 of the first 3 groups were in wars] -snips- > >This was a speech given in 1910 to school children, by my great grandfather >George Franklin PECKHAM .. He was born 11 Apr 1843 at Birdsell, NY, -snip- > "My Friends and Pupils, > >It has been the custom of the Grand Old Army of the Republic for several >years to, on, or about Memorial Day to have some veteran of the Civil War >talk to the pupils fo the public schools about that war. -with reluctant snips- > >I wish I had the power to protray to you the hundredth part of the >sacrifice and suffering of our army during those 1,460 dreary bloody >days. It has never been told, it can never be told. Well said- and applicable to *any* war, *any* time. > >"THE GOOD, THE BRAVE, THE TRUE >IN TANLED WOOD, IN MOUNTAIN GLEN >ON BATTLE PLAIN, IN PRISON PEN >LAY DEAD FOR ME AND YOU...." Is this part of a larger poem? I can't find it [I've tried the MOA site and Kathy Frasier's songs & poetry of the civil war site at http://users.erols.com/kfraser/ ] >From this snippet, if it is just a snippet, I think it must be a great poem-- If it is your grandfather's words-- he was indeed a poet. > My young friends, these terrible conflicts were not fought by old men, and >middle aged men, but by boys. Listen to the figures taken officially from >the Adjutant Generals Office: I've been privileged on a couple occasions to talk to High School kids about Vietnam, and this is one of the first things I always try to get across. Hollywood seems unable to find a large enough group of experienced actors to recreate the true feeling of how young most soldiers really are. It is a game played by men *with* boys as fodder. Congrats to your grandfather for making this point- I think it is too often forgotten. >The members of the G.A.R. are reconized by the little bronze button >worn on the left lapel of their coat. This buttonis made out of cannon >metal captured by us from our foes. It is unlawful for any one to wear it >who has not an honorable discharge. A bit of trivia I hadn't read before. > >The weares of this button are prouder of it than though it were of the >finest gold. You see these buttons on the street and reconize them, and the >wearers by the emply sleeves, the crutch, the cane, bent form and slow step. I *love* this line. > > "THESE MEN HAVE MARCHED THROUGH THE JAWS OF DEATH > WHERE THE CANNON BELCHED THEIR DEADLY BREATH > AND STOOD UNMOVED IN THE SMOKY GLARE > WHILE THE FLAMES OF BATTLE WERE RAGING THERE..... > WITH THOUGHT OF HOME AND LVOED ONES AFAR > WHO'S HEARTS WERE WTH THEM IN THE CIVIL WAR.." More of the above poem? More of your grandfather's words? >I Hope you enjoyed my great grandfathers speech.. Wilma-- Thank you *very* much for sharing it. I certainly enjoyed it. When I got o 'the great beyond', I'll look him up. jim

hello does anyone out there have cd#183 early settlers of new york state 1760-1942 ? if so would you do a look up for me please.. i am trying to find the birth parents of william steele smith ..i had always thought he was born in virginia but lds keeps refering me to new york . he eas born in 1813. hope someone can help thanks DON

There is an interesting reference "to the world, as it was seen by people 1,000 years ago", as presented to THE WHITE HOUSE, released by Office of the Press Secretary, dated January 25, 1999, The East Room, 7:37 P.M. EST; Title: FIFTH MILLENNIUM EVENING AT THE WHITE HOUSE Remarks by the President, the First Lady, Professor Natalie Davis and Professor Martin Marty http://www.usia.gov/usa/2000/5milev.htm "Their life expectancy was short. Most of them could not expect to pass the age of 40, if that." . . . "So to get to my question, what is it, then, that -- or why should this culture, why should we focus on the past? Why is it important, or is it, indeed, important, for us to go back to the past and recognize the accomplishments of people who have done these things in the past?" . . . "PROFESSOR DAVIS: Professor Cruz, thank you for your question and your description of the many features of our 20th century life that develop -- some going back to the year 1000 and some to the year 1500. I think there are several reasons to study -- to be interested in the past, in addition to what it's contributed to us. One is partly the fascination of in human life, of different ways the people have lived, including ways that might not contribute to us." . . . SEE ALSO: 60:20512 Benedictow, Ole J. The medieval demographic system of the Nordic countries. ISBN 82-91114-01-3. 1993. 229 pp. Middelalderforlaget: Oslo, Norway. In Eng. This is a general study of the demographics of the Nordic countries in medieval times. Data are primarily from 15 osteo-archeological studies of medieval cemeteries carried out in recent decades. "The author concludes that the demographic system of the Nordic countries must have been qualitatively different from the early modern demographic regime. It is, among other things, distinguished by considerably higher mortality, lower life expectancy, higher nuptiality, lower age at marriage, especially for females, and higher fertility. This shows that the transformation from medieval society to (early) modern Europe comprised profound changes not only in economic, social and political structures, but also in the basic demographic pattern." Correspondence: Middelalderforlaget, P.O. Box 80, Blindern, 0314 Oslo, Norway. Location: Princeton University Library (SPR). REF: http://popindex.princeton.edu/browse/v60/n2/i.html Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/homepage.htm#Here Listed in: Who's Who In The West, 1998/1999 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]

I found a Samuel Kelley whom I think is the person I am looking for in 1790 New York, Montgomery Ward,census but all it list is numbers is there any way I can found out the names? I do have a microfilm +ACM- that was sent to me, its the NY 1790 Federal Census Index for Montgomery W. New York. I have never order any microfilm before, what will be on it? Would it be worth ordering it? Thank-you Carole Kelly Ontario Canada

Hello: I am looking for the parents of my Grandfather and his sister. JOHN H. DRAKE B AUG 1862 in New York, Married Gertrude.Ellen Sparks she was born in MO.in 1874 And His sister Amanda M. Drake, born DEC 1869 in New York, she Married a man , his last name was HENDRICKS, They had two,children, a boy name of B????? HENDRICKS, A girl; named May B HENDRICKS , Both were born in TACOMA, WA. 1898. Would appreciate any information and will share the Drake line with anyone interested. Don Drake, dondrake@sisna.com

The Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society would like to invite you to our on-line lecture! On Sunday, October 24 at 8:15 p.m. EST, EMGS Member, Alice Henneberry will be giving a talk on State/County Resources. You are invited to attend and you can join us at the following url: http://www.enchantedmountains.com/chat Please come early, most show up at 8 p.m. Get a chance to chat with others who have a genealogical interest in this area! Hope to see you there! Sincerely, The EMGS

A few days ago I sent to the list...a list of the ages of the men and boys in the civil war. I have been asked by a few people to post the complete letter from my great grandfather... here it is..too bad we don't have this same feelings for the men and boys that have served us during any war & respected them for their sacrifice..how would we feel if we had lost those wars... This was a speech given in 1910 to school children, by my great grandfather George Franklin PECKHAM .. He was born 11 Apr 1843 at Birdsell, NY, he moved with his parents when very young to Aztalan, Jefferson, Wisconsin where his father William Augustus Franklin PECKHAM died at age 39 in 1849. His mother was Lydia M. CHAPIN..George had a sister Cornelia Jane PECKHAM who md Franklin WILLARD in Aztalan, Jefferson, Wisconsin...George was mustered into the Wisconsin State Service 26 Sep 1861, on the 27th of Sep 1861 he was mustered into the U.S. Service to serve 3 years or more, or during the war. He entered at Madison Wisconsin in Company "C" 11th Wisconsin infantry, second brigade, first division 13 Corps. He served as a Wagoner. Engaged in battle at Peach Orchard, Cash Creek, Arkansas, Vicksburg, Jackson and Mobile. He was discharged 2 Sep 1865 at Mobile, Alabama. Settled in O'Brian county, October 1879 at Sanborn, Iowa. He was a member of Farragut Post No. 25 G.A.R. Department of Nebraska. Died 30 June 1914 at Lincoln Nebraska. He married Emily Rosella LYONS a childhood school mate on 7 Feb 1866 at Aztalan, Jefferson, Wisconsin. His uncle Rev. Nelson Elijah CHAPIN preformed the ceromony. This speech was given at Lincoln, Nebraska, I don't know the name of the school or the age of the children this speech was given to or for. ~~~~~~ "My Friends and Pupils, It has been the custom of the Grand Old Army of the Republic for several years to, on, or about Memorial Day to have some veteran of the Civil War talk to the pupils fo the public schools about that war. While it is an event long passed it's termination is what made our country what it is to-day. Not only the greatest but the best governed country in the world. It is for that reason that the G.A.R. seek each year to place before the youth of the country something of the cost of the blessings which we all enjoy, hoping thereby to keep the spirit of patristism alive in each and every heart. I shall try and say something about our army during the Civil War and about the Grand Old Army of the Republic since then. I always love to took into the bright and happy faces of the young, I shall try and picture to you something of the costs fo the present blessings which are ours. On the 12th day of April 1861, the first shot of the rebellion echoed over the city of Charleston, South Carolina. The command of General Beauggard fired on Fort Sumpter. That shot marked the date of the greatest acent in history of our time. For by that shot eleven of the stares of our Union containing one third of our entire population said, "we have deliberately decided that the principals of this goverment are wrong and must be broken." On the 14th day of April 1861, Major Anderson hauled down the American flag, (Old Glory, we call it) and marched out with flying colors. It was not until the 14th day of April 1865 that Old Glory was again raised over the ruins of old Fort Sumpter. That war lasted four years, or 1,460 days. The history of those four years is the history of the greatest conflict ever waged int he history of the world in defence of the eternal principals of right. I wish I had the power to protray to you the hundredth part of the sacrifice and suffering of our army during those 1,460 dreary bloody days. It has never been told, it can never be told. During that awful strugle the loyal states and territories furnished 2,778,304 men of whom more than 2,000,000 were three year men. The loss of life during the Civil War was tremendous and the awful scence of carnage and suffering at Gettysburg and Wilderness. Cold Harbor, Chickamauga, Shilo, Vicksburg and hundreds of others. Desperate battles before which the whole world stood amazed, to say nothing of the horrors of Andersonville, Liberty, and in the fact all other Sourthern Prisons Pens. The record of the war department shows that 400,000 men died during that war. "THE GOOD, THE BRAVE, THE TRUE IN TANLED WOOD, IN MOUNTAIN GLEN ON BATTLE PLAIN, IN PRISON PEN LAY DEAD FOR ME AND YOU...." Then if we add to this 400,000 the missing we shall swell the number to 550,000 men and it takes little calculation to show us that in these 1,460 days the average would be about 400 men each day who gave up their lives in the awful contest of brother against brother. The records of the war department disclose a scene of carnage and destruction of property never before equaled. We find from actual report of the muster rolls that in one action alone, one regiment lost 82% of their number, three regiments lost 70% and 40 regiments lost 55% and that one regiment came out of the fight of the Wildreness with only one non-comissioned officer and ten men! The 6th and 7th corps lost 7,000 men in ten minutes on the morning of the second day. Wilderness there were more than 2,400 battles fought of importance enough to give them a place in history. There is a tract of land in Virginia containing 8,000 acres, (or 12 sections) in this area it has been calculatd that more battles were fought and more men engaged, more blood spilt and more lives lost than on any portion of the world. These facts are almost incomprehasivle, but sadly true. My young friends, these terrible conflicts were not fought by old men, and middle aged men, but by boys. Listen to the figures taken officially from the Adjutant Generals Office: Those enlisted at: 10 years of age & under...................25 11 years of age. ...............................38 12 years of age................................225 13 years of age................................300 14 years of age.............................1,520 15 years of age........................104,987 16 years of age.........................231,051 17 years of age.........................844,891 18 years of age.....................2,151,438 21 years of age.....................2,159,891 22 years & over.......................618,511 25 years & over.........................46,326 45 years & over.........................16,071 Making a total of 2,778,309 and of this number 2,159,789 were under twenty-one years of age. So you see that this terrible fighting was done by boys. All honor to the heroic young fellows who carried the war through to a successful termination. When General Lee surrendered to General Grant on 8 April 1865 our army was disbanded and the veterans returned quietly to their homes and took up their various labors. The G.A.R. is an organization of veterans who served honorabley between April 1st 1861 and August 1865. The G.A.R. was organized in April the 8th 1866. The object to keep alive the memory of patriotic sacrifices, and to aid the widows and orphans of all needy comrads. The members of the G.A.R. are reconized by the little bronze button worn on the left lapel of their coat. This buttonis made out of cannon metal captured by us from our foes. It is unlawful for any one to wear it who has not an honorable discharge. The weares of this button are prouder of it than though it were of the finest gold. You see these buttons on the street and reconize them, and the wearers by the emply sleeves, the crutch, the cane, bent form and slow step. "THESE MEN HAVE MARCHED THROUGH THE JAWS OF DEATH WHERE THE CANNON BELCHED THEIR DEADLY BREATH AND STOOD UNMOVED IN THE SMOKY GLARE WHILE THE FLAMES OF BATTLE WERE RAGING THERE..... WITH THOUGHT OF HOME AND LVOED ONES AFAR WHO'S HEARTS WERE WTH THEM IN THE CIVIL WAR.." The G.A.R. is nobly assisted by two organizations of ladies, known as the W.R.C. and the ladies of the G.A.R. These silver haired women know what the Civil War ment to and for each had a father, husband, son, brother, or sweetheart at the front while they remained at home alone and did much suffering. Often their tender hearts were torn with anguish and suspence. After each battle scanning the papers to see if in the long list of killed or missing, looking for the name of some loved ones was there. Their mission now is to look after our sick and needy comrads and their families, getting to know and help them, careing for them tenderly in sickness and prayerfully going with them down to the dark shadows of death, lovingly closing their eyes, and assisting us in strewing flowers on memorial day. God Bless them they are angels of mercy, all of them. Our mission now is to endeavor to instill patriotism and love of country into the hearts of the young. I have utmost confidence in you all for I know that you are full and running over with that which makes our country what is it.. PATROTISM. I thank you..." I Hope you enjoyed my great grandfathers speech.. Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com

In 1850, in Gouverneur, St Lawrence Co, NY the SWEET, DEWEY, LASHBROOK families lived very close together and intermarried. It seems several members of these families moved west to Michigan and lived out their lives. Does anyone have knowledge of these families, If so, I would like to hear from you.

Seeking information on Chester Andrews who was in Charlotteville,Shoharie County, New York in 1840. His daughters obituary states she was born Nov 12, 1840 in Charlotteville and her parents were Chester and Emily(Fancher)Andrews. Any information on these families would be appreciated. Don Kenyon dkenyon@topmich.com

This is part of a talk given by my great grandfather... here is a list of the ages of them men/boys in the civil war... My young friends, these terrible conflicts were not fought by old men, and middle aged men, but by boys. Listen to the figures taken officially from the Adjutant Generals Office: Those enlisted at: 10 years of age & under...................25 11 years of age. ...............................38 12 years of age................................225 13 years of age................................300 14 years of age.............................1,520 15 years of age........................104,987 16 years of age.........................231,051 17 years of age.........................844,891 18 years of age.....................2,151,438 21 years of age.....................2,159,891 22 years & over.......................618,511 25 years & over.........................46,326 45 years & over.........................16,071 Making a total of 2,778,309 and of this number 2,159,789 were under twenty-one years of age. So you see that this terrible fighting was done by boys. All honor to the heroic young fellows who carried the war through to a successful termination. Thought this may be of interest to some of you... Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com

I need the marriage place of Gaisbert Bogard son of Cornelius Bogard & Evetje Hornbeck to Elizabeth widow of ___Petty. Probable place was PA or NJ . Mg date has been ca. at abt 1749. They lived together in Hardy/Hampshire Co. WV. where he died 1776/78 and Elizabeth died, Aug 1785. Check my web page at http://www.get.to/petty for further information on their family

This is a re post for information on ELIZABETH ANDERSON. Married James CUMMINGS, January 2, 1813 in Cooperstown Presbyterian Church. They were supposed to have lived in Fly Creek. Fly Creek is near present day Sydney and Masonville, but in Otsego County. The same reference also lists Masonville in Otsego County, but the current maps show Masonville in Delaware County. The above information was given to me and is greatly appreciated, by Stan Niles Really not much to go on, but it is something. Thanks in advance, any help is appreciated. Dick Wood Tucson, AZ pawood@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~pawood N32-16'-53.5" W111-04'-22.5" Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. -Dandemis

Michael, He wasn't too old. They were pretty desperate for men. My husband has an ancestor who enlisted in NY at the age of 59 in 1861 and died at Belle Plain, VA in 1863, buried at Fredericksburg. Joy Michnted@aol.com wrote: > > Hi..I am trying to go through the back door (So to speak) in finding a > Lucinda Jacoby. I believe her father was a Frederick Jacoby (from census > info). He would have been 57 when the Civil War broke out...could he have > served int he war or would he have been too old? If he did serve I may be > able to get something on him from NARA. Thanks everyone! > > Michele L.o.c.k.w.o.o.d > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ -- mail to: joyweave@erols.com Outline trees for: HALLOCK, HEAD, PALMER, SELDEN at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/e/a/Joyce-R-Weaver/ USA (mostly northeast): Burnside, Green, Merritt, Morris, Palmer, Selden./ CANADA (ON/QC): Brown, Clark, Grant, Weaver./ ENGLAND(Lanc.): Hunt, Wall. POLAND (Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel./ BELARUS (Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner.

Fly Creek is 50 miles from Sidney and only 5 miles from Cooperstown. Masonville, near Sidney, was formed in 1811 from Sidney, which in turn was formed 1801 from Franklin, always in Delaware County. Fly Creek is in Otsego County.

ok...now i reply to the correct addy for unsubcribing and they said they couldnt unsubsribe me cause i wasnt on the LIST! HELP please please stop sending this thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: <GEN-NYS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <GEN-NYS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 1:19 AM Subject: GEN-NYS-D Digest V99 #151

I am looking for information on Phoebe Ann BROWN. She married Richard J. MURPHY who died 9/4/1964 and is believed to be buried in the Baldwinsville area. They had no children and it is believed she went to live with a niece. I need her birth, death date and place of burial. I would appreciate any information. Thank you. Sandy Sancook@aol.com

Hi..I am trying to go through the back door (So to speak) in finding a Lucinda Jacoby. I believe her father was a Frederick Jacoby (from census info). He would have been 57 when the Civil War broke out...could he have served int he war or would he have been too old? If he did serve I may be able to get something on him from NARA. Thanks everyone! Michele L.o.c.k.w.o.o.d