These forms (and others like them) ask questions that a person may not have an answer to. Can you still request a death certificate or marriage, or birth) if all you have is a person's and spouse's name? I.E. don't know birth date, death date, location, parents.... Sincerely Bryan C. >From: Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@nr.infi.net> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Oneonta, NY Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:49:54 -0600 >Oneonta is a City and its surrounding Town in Otsego County NY, quite >far removed from NY City. >Rather than attempt the shotgun approach with cemeteries, you'll be >better off getting a copy of her death certificate, which will list >the cemetery and undertaker. If the latter is still in business, you >may get some good information there. You can get the death >certificate >from the NY State Dept of Health; see: > http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/vr/geninst.htm <snip> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

--part1_0.3af7bb96.254b05f1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AGAIN> THANKS< JOY --part1_0.3af7bb96.254b05f1_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: EUZELIA@aol.com From: EUZELIA@aol.com Full-name: EUZELIA Message-ID: <0.d6a806fa.2536b277@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:13:43 EDT Subject: Curtis A. Young To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Hi. Don't know if I have sent this already or not. Need info on Curtis A. Young b. 1854 NY. Moved to Charleston, SC about 1885. Thank you, Joy --part1_0.3af7bb96.254b05f1_boundary--

Write to the Army, Air Force, or whatever, give them the SSN, and ask for their military file (assuming you are related and therefore entitled to the information). Or, alternatively, write to NARA, and get the form they provide for requesting information on a person. Bear in mind, though, many of the post 1900 military records were burned in a fire in the early 1970's so there are a lot of missing records for that whole time period. Jan T ---------- > From: Nina L. Olney <olney@infomagic.com> > To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Military advice Needed > Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 12:48 AM > > Hello Listers, > My knowledge of Military Information is REEEALY limited, and I need to > find out how/where I would go to find our the rank of a person who was > stationed in England during 1945-50. The SSN is known, but where would > I look for a rank and military information. Could I possibly write > somewhere for military records? ANY information is appreciated. > Sincerely, Nina > Nina L. Olney > Thank you from Arizona > Looking for the Olneys/D'Oyley/Onley etc. > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative?

The problem in NY State is that with few exceptions vital records are NOT maintained at the County level, but at the State level and the City/Town/Village level, so unless you go to the State you must know the exact locality of death. Also, the City/Town/Village registrars are usually unable to do long term searches - you must know the date of death to within at least the month and year. You can check the State indexes for locality and date, but there are publicly available indexes in only two places, the NY State Archives in Albany and the National Archives Regional Branch in Manhattan. The State indexes are NOT available at Family History Centers. (NY City is an entirely different matter. It keeps its own records - the State doesn't even have copies - and they are indexed and far easier to get.) quillpen <quillpen@vh.net> wrote: > >Hi Michelle, >I'm curious. Why didn't you feel comfortable writing to county personnel? >Most of them are a lot more friendly than the State and a lot of them >don't charge you if they can't find the record you requested (except NYC, >which always charges). >Maureen > > > > > >At 12:09 PM 10/28/99 EDT, you wrote: >>Hey..I just found out it can take up to 2 years..2!!!!!!! to get >certificates >>from Albany (Vital records) I called because I have been waiting!!! I cant >>believe it...so much wquicker to go through the county if you know it or if >>you feel comfortable writing to people in a county. (I didnt and thats why I >>sent to vitals) Yuck!!!! Wish something could be done to move it down to a 9 >>month span of time! >>Michele Lockwood >> >> >>==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >>Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >>Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt >> > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data >Cooperative?

Hi, Marcena, Try contacting the Village of Churchville, Village Office, 22 S. Main, Churchville, NY 14428. Perhaps there is a village or town historian who can help you. If you think the Ratigans may have been Catholics, you could try writing the Diocese of Rochester,1150 Buffalo Rd., Rochester, NY 14624. Lastly, the Rochester Public Library's History (Local) & Genealogy Department is excellent. Write that department at the library, 115 South Avenue, Rochester, NY 14604. Hope this helps. Cheers, Lynda

Hi Michelle, I'm curious. Why didn't you feel comfortable writing to county personnel? Most of them are a lot more friendly than the State and a lot of them don't charge you if they can't find the record you requested (except NYC, which always charges). Maureen At 12:09 PM 10/28/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hey..I just found out it can take up to 2 years..2!!!!!!! to get certificates >from Albany (Vital records) I called because I have been waiting!!! I cant >believe it...so much wquicker to go through the county if you know it or if >you feel comfortable writing to people in a county. (I didnt and thats why I >sent to vitals) Yuck!!!! Wish something could be done to move it down to a 9 >month span of time! >Michele Lockwood > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt >

In July I sent to Albany for a death record, the check was cashed and I've heard nothing further. Is this a usual timeframe? (I may be spoiled for other states respond in 4-6 weeks.0 Thanks

Email Governor Pataki: gov.pataki@chamber.state.ny.us It couldn't hurt. NColeman ncroots@worldnet.att.net NYC/Long Island Family History Research Services: http://www.genealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html County Coordinator for the Nassau GenExchange: http://www.genexchange.com/ny/nassau/index.cfm Irish Family History Forum www.ifhf.org -----Original Message----- From: Michnted@aol.com <Michnted@aol.com> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 12:22 PM Subject: WHOA!!!!!! NYS vitals!!! >Hey..I just found out it can take up to 2 years..2!!!!!!! to get certificates >from Albany (Vital records) I called because I have been waiting!!! I cant >believe it...so much wquicker to go through the county if you know it or if >you feel comfortable writing to people in a county. (I didnt and thats why I >sent to vitals) Yuck!!!! Wish something could be done to move it down to a 9 >month span of time! >Michele Lockwood > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt > >

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Hey..I just found out it can take up to 2 years..2!!!!!!! to get certificates from Albany (Vital records) I called because I have been waiting!!! I cant believe it...so much wquicker to go through the county if you know it or if you feel comfortable writing to people in a county. (I didnt and thats why I sent to vitals) Yuck!!!! Wish something could be done to move it down to a 9 month span of time! Michele Lockwood

Hello Listers, My knowledge of Military Information is REEEALY limited, and I need to find out how/where I would go to find our the rank of a person who was stationed in England during 1945-50. The SSN is known, but where would I look for a rank and military information. Could I possibly write somewhere for military records? ANY information is appreciated. Sincerely, Nina Nina L. Olney Thank you from Arizona Looking for the Olneys/D'Oyley/Onley etc.

Thank you to Nancy, Charles and others for their advice re 1892 NY census, in reponse to my query (copy below). I'm afraid US research is something I haven't had a lot of experience with - most of my links are Britih or Australian. If anyone CAN asist with an exact address look up in the 1992 census or slightly later ...as per my LENNON page at my Web site http://www.gidgenet.com.au/sknowles/surnames/Lennon.html the address details are: James & Mary LENNON 63 Bergen Street, New York They were definitely at this address in 1906. Many thanks Steven Knowles Home email: sknowles@gidgenet.com.au Offic mail: steven.knowles@bankwest.com.au - --------------------------------------------------- This is one of those examples (and I don't mean to single you out Steve, yours is just the most recent) where asking for a lookup, instead of advice, is not the way to go. So, this is for everyone who's new at this and wondering about what's available where in the 1890-92 time frame in the NYC area. First, there is no 1890 Police Census for Brooklyn. The 1890 Police Census was only taken in Manhattan (NY County) and parts of the Bronx, not any of the other Counties of current day NYC. Second, there is a 1892 State Census for Brooklyn that is what you would need to access. There is no such similar census for that year for Manhattan that is extant. But, there is an 1892 Census for Queens (which included Nassau County at the time). Third, both of these censuses are UNINDEXED. Just giving a name is useless. You need an exact address to make use of either of these censuses. Fourth, even if you do have an exact address for either of these censuses, the lookup is not as easy as you would imagine. It's a several step process that takes a good amount of time, patience, and exact figuring (by exact address) to be successful. It's not difficult once you get the hang of it, but if you're new to it, it can be a "hair puller." For the 1890 Police Census, several of the "books" are missing and the census is not complete. So, even when you determine which reel to look in, you have to determine whether the volume you are looking for even (still) exists. Many don't. Some repositories have this clearly marked on the boxes or in the finding aids, but not all. So, I hope I've helped here. Asking for a lookup in either of these two censuses is a lot to ask unless you know the person has a bit of experience with them and you have a very good, exact address for that particular year. Best regards. Nancy. PS: For those of you who are wondering "how do I get an exact address?" you have to use a combination of things. Some good sources are: 1) Vital Records - B, D & Marriage Certs usually have addresses. If you have ANYONE in the family group with such an event in this time period, it could be helpful. 2) City Directories 3) Burial/Cemetery records can lead you to death certificates. 4) The federal censuses for 1880 and 1900. If they didn't move, you probably have a good address. Back this up with Directory work. 5) Voter registration records, wills, deeds, etc. 6) Family memorabilia, bibles, letters, etc. NColeman ncroots@worldnet.att.net NYC/Long Island Family History Research Services: http://www.genealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html County Coordinator for the Nassau GenExchange: http://www.genexchange.com/ny/nassau/index.cfm Irish Family History Forum www.ifhf.org -----Original Message----- From: Steven.Knowles@bankwest.com.au <Steven.Knowles@bankwest.com.au> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 12:45 AM Subject: LENNON - Brooklyn, NY - 1890 police census lookup? >I suspect that my wife's GG Grandparents James LENNON & Mary MURPHY were in >Brooklyn, New York in the late 1800s (if interested please see ><http://www.gidgenet.com.au/sknowles/surnames/Lennon.html> for more >detail). > >Would anyone out there have ready access to the NYC 1890 police census? If >so, could you please look up James & Mary LENNON to see if I can gather >anymore clues to get me past the brick wall I've hit? > >Many thanks > >Steven Knowles >Home email: sknowles@gidgenet.cm.au >Office email: steven.knowles@bankwest.com.au _______________________________________________________________________________ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing this will be reimbursed by the sender. _______________________________________________________________________________

The 1890 Police Census was conducted only for New York County, which at the time consisted of Manhattan and the western Bronx. Brooklyn was/is in Kings County. It's not name indexed - you have to have the address. Steven.Knowles@bankwest.com.au wrote: >I suspect that my wife's GG Grandparents James LENNON & Mary MURPHY were in >Brooklyn, New York in the late 1800s (if interested please see ><http://www.gidgenet.com.au/sknowles/surnames/Lennon.html> for more >detail). > >Would anyone out there have ready access to the NYC 1890 police census? If >so, could you please look up James & Mary LENNON to see if I can gather >anymore clues to get me past the brick wall I've hit? > >Many thanks > >Steven Knowles >Home email: sknowles@gidgenet.cm.au >Office email: steven.knowles@bankwest.com.au > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. >If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. > >This electronic transmission is intended only for those to whom it is >addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged >or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived >or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. >If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this >transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing >this will be reimbursed by the sender. >_______________________________________________________________________________ > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data >Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/

Can anyone tell me the name of a cemetery on or near 1 Park Road in Churchville NY. I`m looking for the grave of Hugh and Bridget RATIGAN and don`t know the name of cemetery. Thank you Marcena Volunteer Obit-Lookup Dona Ana County, New Mexico also Cemetery Photos Marcena Thompson http://community.webtv.net/marcena/WEARINGOFTHEGREEN

Dear Steve: This is one of those examples (and I don't mean to single you out Steve, yours is just the most recent) where asking for a lookup, instead of advice, is not the way to go. So, this is for everyone who's new at this and wondering about what's available where in the 1890-92 time frame in the NYC area. First, there is no 1890 Police Census for Brooklyn. The 1890 Police Census was only taken in Manhattan (NY County) and parts of the Bronx, not any of the other Counties of current day NYC. Second, there is a 1892 State Census for Brooklyn that is what you would need to access. There is no such similar census for that year for Manhattan that is extant. But, there is an 1892 Census for Queens (which included Nassau County at the time). Third, both of these censuses are UNINDEXED. Just giving a name is useless. You need an exact address to make use of either of these censuses. Fourth, even if you do have an exact address for either of these censuses, the lookup is not as easy as you would imagine. It's a several step process that takes a good amount of time, patience, and exact figuring (by exact address) to be successful. It's not difficult once you get the hang of it, but if you're new to it, it can be a "hair puller." For the 1890 Police Census, several of the "books" are missing and the census is not complete. So, even when you determine which reel to look in, you have to determine whether the volume you are looking for even (still) exists. Many don't. Some repositories have this clearly marked on the boxes or in the finding aids, but not all. So, I hope I've helped here. Asking for a lookup in either of these two censuses is a lot to ask unless you know the person has a bit of experience with them and you have a very good, exact address for that particular year. Best regards. Nancy. PS: For those of you who are wondering "how do I get an exact address?" you have to use a combination of things. Some good sources are: 1) Vital Records - B, D & Marriage Certs usually have addresses. If you have ANYONE in the family group with such an event in this time period, it could be helpful. 2) City Directories 3) Burial/Cemetery records can lead you to death certificates. 4) The federal censuses for 1880 and 1900. If they didn't move, you probably have a good address. Back this up with Directory work. 5) Voter registration records, wills, deeds, etc. 6) Family memorabilia, bibles, letters, etc. NColeman ncroots@worldnet.att.net NYC/Long Island Family History Research Services: http://www.genealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html County Coordinator for the Nassau GenExchange: http://www.genexchange.com/ny/nassau/index.cfm Irish Family History Forum www.ifhf.org -----Original Message----- From: Steven.Knowles@bankwest.com.au <Steven.Knowles@bankwest.com.au> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 12:45 AM Subject: LENNON - Brooklyn, NY - 1890 police census lookup? >I suspect that my wife's GG Grandparents James LENNON & Mary MURPHY were in >Brooklyn, New York in the late 1800s (if interested please see ><http://www.gidgenet.com.au/sknowles/surnames/Lennon.html> for more >detail). > >Would anyone out there have ready access to the NYC 1890 police census? If >so, could you please look up James & Mary LENNON to see if I can gather >anymore clues to get me past the brick wall I've hit? > >Many thanks > >Steven Knowles >Home email: sknowles@gidgenet.cm.au >Office email: steven.knowles@bankwest.com.au > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ ____________________ >Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. >If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. > >This electronic transmission is intended only for those to whom it is >addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged >or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived >or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. >If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this >transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing >this will be reimbursed by the sender. >___________________________________________________________ ____________________ > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data >Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi All. My thanks to all who have answered my questions. A great response. Regards Ken. Liverpool NSW Australia Ex Glasgow Researching. BONNER Ham > Aus BREAKSPEAR Oxf > Aus DAINES Sfk > Aus HELM Lan > India > Aus CAMPBELL Skye > Rhum > Glasgow > Aus CASSIDY Irl > Glasgow Sct and a few others

I suspect that my wife's GG Grandparents James LENNON & Mary MURPHY were in Brooklyn, New York in the late 1800s (if interested please see <http://www.gidgenet.com.au/sknowles/surnames/Lennon.html> for more detail). Would anyone out there have ready access to the NYC 1890 police census? If so, could you please look up James & Mary LENNON to see if I can gather anymore clues to get me past the brick wall I've hit? Many thanks Steven Knowles Home email: sknowles@gidgenet.cm.au Office email: steven.knowles@bankwest.com.au _______________________________________________________________________________ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing this will be reimbursed by the sender. _______________________________________________________________________________

Oneonta is a City and its surrounding Town in Otsego County NY, quite far removed from NY City. Rather than attempt the shotgun approach with cemeteries, you'll be better off getting a copy of her death certificate, which will list the cemetery and undertaker. If the latter is still in business, you may get some good information there. You can get the death certificate from the NY State Dept of Health; see: http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/vr/geninst.htm They are unfortunately not known for their speed - mail requests usually take many months for a response. The NY State death index is available in only two locations, Albany and New York City, but if you can get a volunteer or researcher to determine the date of death and exact locality from the index, you can also get the death record from the local City or Town Clerk, as the case may be. The NY State Archives has an index lookup service, which used to be pretty prompt. But I understand from some postings they are now not much quicker than the NYSDOH. Does anyone have any recent experience with them? For the Archives, see: http://unix6.nysed.gov/holding/fact/vital-frm.htm "Ken Campbell" <ken@iform.com.au> wrote: >Hi All. > >I have just received a copy of a letter written in 1888 from Francis HELM of >4 Spring St, Oneonta, New York to his brother Charles in Sydney Australia, >and have some questions that I hope someone can answer for me, please. > >Is Oneonta a suburb of New York city or a town/city in New York state? > >Francis's wife was Rose B HELM nee POND, Rose is reported to have died abt >1935 in Oneonta. Are there any cemeterys online that I could access in the >area around Oneonta? The family would have been Catholic I think. > >Regards Ken. >Liverpool NSW Australia >Ex Glasgow >Researching. >BONNER Ham > Aus >BREAKSPEAR Oxf > Aus >DAINES Sfk > Aus >HELM Lan > India > Aus >CAMPBELL Skye > Rhum > Glasgow > Aus >CASSIDY Irl > Glasgow Sct >and a few others :-) > > > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html

Has anyone had experience with sending Freedom of Inf. form G-639 to get naturalization papers? I thought it would be a good idea to get my grandfather's and my husband's grgrandfather's, but find that the records one must accummulate in order to prove descent are rather daunting. Is it really true that you need the death cert. of the person you're inquiring abt and all the birth and marriage certs down the line to prove you really are descended from that person? What if you want ,say, an uncle's papers because your direct ancestor wasn't naturalized? I tried for my grandfather's through the NYC branch of NARA but he wasn't in the index. And my husband's grgrandfather was Nat. in Newburgh, NY, so the NYC NARA doesn't have him either. In my husband's line's case, I have a photocopy of his final papers, which give no info, but do provide a date. In my own case, I have only a ballpark estimate of the year. (He was PA on the 1920 census and died in 1929. An aunt has his final papers, but isn't forthcoming with the index # or date). Joy Weaver -- mail to: joyweave@erols.com Outline trees for: HALLOCK, HEAD, PALMER, SELDEN at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/e/a/Joyce-R-Weaver/ USA (mostly northeast): Burnside, Green, Merritt, Morris, Palmer, Selden./ CANADA (ON/QC): Brown, Clark, Grant, Weaver./ ENGLAND(Lanc.): Hunt, Wall. POLAND (Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel./ BELARUS (Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner.

Hi All. I have just received a copy of a letter written in 1888 from Francis HELM of 4 Spring St, Oneonta, New York to his brother Charles in Sydney Australia, and have some questions that I hope someone can answer for me, please. Is Oneonta a suburb of New York city or a town/city in New York state? Francis's wife was Rose B HELM nee POND, Rose is reported to have died abt 1935 in Oneonta. Are there any cemeterys online that I could access in the area around Oneonta? The family would have been Catholic I think. Regards Ken. Liverpool NSW Australia Ex Glasgow Researching. BONNER Ham > Aus BREAKSPEAR Oxf > Aus DAINES Sfk > Aus HELM Lan > India > Aus CAMPBELL Skye > Rhum > Glasgow > Aus CASSIDY Irl > Glasgow Sct and a few others :-)