Hi all... These two families (Group sheet below) of which the mother & 3 children were all baptised 3 Nov 1816 at the 2nd Presb Ch., W. Durham, Greene Co., NY, and also (as an adult?), a Hepsibah CLARK, bap. 3 Mar 1822, appears to be the same as: Name Adna CLARK (my#12544), (son of William CLARK & Elizabeth SUTLIFF) Sex: M Born 19 Sep 1765 Haddam, Middlesex Co., CT Baptized Nov 1774 Haddam, Middlesex Co., CT Wife: Thankful BAILEY, m. Dec 1786, Haddam, Middlesex Co., CT who also had children Julia, Julius & Orison (spelling?), & Hepsibah.... ============================= Does anyone have access to any Greene Co., NY records that would add anything to this connection? Anybody have this family in their line? From Joe [email protected] Clearing House... Compulsive Genealogy Searcher, ARLT, CLARK, COSTELLO, COVERT, FALANGA, GUIDETTI, HIGGINS, KONEN, PARISI, RIDER, TOMPKINS, Van AUKEN & WAGNER 17 Aug 2002 Family Group Sheet ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Husband: Adney CLARK #21326 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Born: Abt 1770 in: Probably North Died: in: Other: 1816 in: Greene Co., NY Ref: C510901 Occupation: 1 Father: Mother: Best guess for birth date & location... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Wife: Thankful ___________ #21327 Married: in: Probably North ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Born: Abt 1780 in: Probably North Baptized: 3 Nov 1816 in: 2nd Presb Ch., W. Durham, Greene Co., NY Died: in: Other: 1816 in: Greene Co., NY Ref: C510901 Occupation: 1 Father: Mother: Best guess for birth date & location... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- M Child 1 Orisson CLARK #21325 Born: Abt 1805 in: Probably North Baptized: 3 Nov 1816 in: 2nd Presb Ch., W. Durham, Greene Co., NY Died: in: Best guess for birth date & location... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- M Child 2 Julius CLARK #21328 Born: Abt 1805 in: Probably North Baptized: 3 Nov 1816 in: 2nd Presb Ch., W. Durham, Greene Co., NY Died: in: Ref: C510901 Occupation: 1 Best guess for birth date & location... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- F Child 3 Julia CLARK #21329 Born: Abt 1805 in: Probably North Baptized: 3 Nov 1816 in: 2nd Presb Ch., W. Durham, Greene Co., NY Died: in: Ref: C510901 Occupation: 1 Best guess for birth date & location... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1 LDS FHC records: microfishe, IGI or AF ========================================== ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I have been trying to find information on the death of/probate records for Bradford Paddock who was b 1759 in Warren, Worcester, MA, and who more than likely died in/around Ulysses, New York - either while it was still in Seneca County or after part of it became Tompkins County. Not living near any FHL these days, my research is a bit difficult - am hoping someone else is researching this person who has access to probate/cemetery records who can help out. He was born to Alice Buck and in all of the Paddock research I have done over the years, only one time have I ever found that he had daughters as well as a son Ephraim who I have been able to track, along w/desc. who moved to my home state of Illinois. But for some reason, old Bradford is a bit elusive. I have reason to track down the daughters, as one of them may have been married to my Bradford Almy - if information in the Landmarks of Tompkins County is to be believed, and so far, it has proved to be good information. Can anyone help me break down this brick wall? Olive California

Hello Co-researchers, I apologize to all who get this message more than once, I have signed up to Counties surrounding Seneca County. A few years ago before my grandmother passed she told me this short story: Her grandmother's parents came from France via Canada to NYC ( Anyone have any idea how this was possible as my grandmother said the did not come over by boat but by covered wagon). she could not remember there first names. And I am not sure if it was LACREQUE (or spelling similar), MARCEAU (spelling could be different) then there is my G-G grandmother,( this spelling is correct)other FRANCES DUMUNN b 8/1857 d1930 m EDWARD T BRYANT b 1845 d 1918. They lived in Ovid and are buried New Sheldrake Cemetery, I am hoping that there are family members also searching or living around this area. May God Bless, Deb Willmot Rosenbaum

I put this person on my own ban list.....my program will delete any and all messages that come from "bess"......... On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:23:54 -0400 [email protected] (HistorianCindyA) writes: > The band schedule from [email protected] for KENTUCKY came up on all the > roots web list I'm on! Can this person be banned? It is obvious it > is an advertisement for a totally unrelated topic. I will not buy > the "Oh I did it accidentally." Not when it hits every e-list from > NY I'm on twice under "Fall" and "September". > > -- > Cindy Amrhein > Town of Alabama Historian > in Genesee Co., NY > Experience the Town of Alabama in Genesee County, NY. > http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/ > APHNYS (Association of Public Historians of New York State) > http://www.tier.net/aphnys > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Visit the GEN-NYS-L web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/ > >

Cindy Amhrein...I'm with you. These Kentucky band notices have no place on NY genealogy lists, and I told [email protected] so directly... but I got no answer. Why not? There's a remote possibility that she's a victim of a virus/worm that is doing it without her knowledge...but I doubt it. If so she would have answered my complaint. My solution...forward all her messages right back to her. If everyone who objects to seeing those messages does the same, every time they see one, her inbox will be so full she'll wise up that others don't like it. Let's see...if she puts it on ten lists, with a thousand subscribers to each list, and she puts it on twice, and everybody sends them back...that's 20,000 messages.........BUT...PLEASE read the warning below carefully...... >>>>> WARNING...WARNING...WARNING <<<< But, and this is a VERY BIG but...on many lists if you click on REPLY you send it to the list, not to the originator, so before anyone goes wild on this...check the address to which you're sending the message, or we'll get 20,000 copies on the lists. UGH! HORRORS! THAT MAKES THE SITUATION WORSE! PLEASE...send Bess's messages ONLY to Bess...not to the thousand people on each genealogy list. If you click on REPLY...check the TO address it generates before you click on SEND. Send complaints only to [email protected] The rest of us don't want to see her listings or your complaints to her. Marty Irons

This one 1816 - was the major trigger point resulting in mass-migration of families from the New England and Middle Colonies coast area to the western New York, western Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois. The cause of it? Mount Timor on island of East Timor. So much ash into stratosphere to block the sun the following year. The only other volcano with such distruption took place about AD 525 - Krakatau. The one in 1883 didn't make such a dent but lethal enough to kill 36,000. AD 525 was the benchmark giving rise to new empires and downfall of old empires. Most notable is the rise of Islam, along with the end of the Roman Empire. As general rule, check the weather disruptions and financial panics to determine the large-scale migrations. David Cindy Amrhein wrote: > > This is in reference to one of the old newsies which brought up > discussion on some of the lists concerning early weather and the "year > there was no summer" in 1816. Thought it might be of interest to the > rest of you as well. > There are several references for weather to be found in local history > books of NY State. > -Joseph Ellicott and Stories of the Holland Purchase by Clara L.T. > Williams 1936 > -Pioneer History of the Holland Purchase - by O. Turner 1850 > -History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps & Gorham's Purchase, and > Morris' Reserve also by O. Turner 1851, which can be read on line in its > original form at the "Making of America" website through Cornell > University. The link to the book is: > http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ACM0485 > > Other books on the Holland Purchase will recite letters from Ellicott > back to Holland describing how bad land sales were going. One of the > major reasons was poor crops, bad weather and people getting extremely > sick or dying. > Here are some quick bits: > > From the Pioneer history of the Holland Purchase: > In reference to the settlement of Orleans Co. " It will be seen few lots > were sold there, previous to 1807, thought but little was done in the > way of founding a village. Sickness alone would have prevented it in all > the early years; and in later years - the projection of the Erie Canal, > arrested the projects of Commercial depots along the lakes. "... > ... "Mr. Caleb Powers, from whom we derive some local reminiscences of > Pike, says, that in 1816 and '17 there was much suffering for food among > the new settlers in all that region."... > > From Joseph Ellicott Stories of the Holland Purchase: > ...."There was no doubt of the value of the soil along the lake shore, > but there was a wide belt of dense dark forest and wet soil; its whole > aspect repulsive and forbidding. This region was sickly in the early > years and settlement was slow." > > Also in a news article submitted by S. PIERSON'S from his journal which > he states he started in 1810: > LEROY Gazette > July 20, 1859 > --Unseasonable Frosts -- > Written for the Leroy Gazette by S. PIERSON, in his 81st year, July 4, 1859 > ... I will now pass over many unseasonable frosts to 1816. This will > long be remembered as the cold summer, in which we had frosts more or > less severe through all the summer months. A large black spot on the > sun was plainly visible to the naked eye, and sometimes when the air was > hazy or smoky, it was not painful to my eyes to gaze at it for some minutes. > The sun did not shine clear, but with a kind of glimmer as when an > eclipse is coming on. This dark spot continued visible for many days to > the naked eye. Its magnitude I cannot attempt to describe. To some it > might appear as large as a good-sized Cook-stove. Others might think it > resembled a balloon; -- others again might think it was the black tariff > we heard so much about a few years ago. But whatever it was considered > ominous of some great event or calamity, and many various were the > predictions and prognostications of what retributive justice had in > store for us; none of which ever came to pass as far as I know and > believe.".. > Some other highlights from his article: > Notes a killing frost in July 17 & 18, 1810. > -June 7, 1842, great frost. > -June 11, 1842, hard frost and abundance of ice. > -June 14 & 15, 1847, some frost, coldest ever known; corn and garden > withered and blown to death. > -June 1, 1848, some frost. Thermometer at 34; on the first day of Jan. > last it stood at 63, it being 29 degrees colder on the first day of > June, than it was on the first day of Jan. 1848. > -Sunday, June 5, 1859, great frost and ice. > -May 1834, from 12 to 16 snow squalls, sleighs out, ground frozen. > -May 30, 1845, tremendous frost, ice 1/2 of an inch thick, killed corn, > potatoes, garden and vegetables. > > He also discusses the great frost of 1834 where no fruit grew in the > area that year. This is a large article but if the list is interested I > will type it all up. > > -- > Cindy Amrhein > Town of Alabama Historian > Genesee Co., NY > > ********************** > Historian's Page - Alabama, NY > http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/ > Experience the town of Alabama in Genesee County, New York. History, tombstone inscriptions, census records, history of the Tonawanda Seneca Indians and the Iroquois. Enjoy a good murder mystery? Read about the murders of Polly Frisch. > > APHNYS > (The Association of Public Historians of New York State) > http://www.tier.net/aphnys/ > > Genesee County, NY website. Includes History Department, (under "Historian") > http://www.co.genesee.ny.us/ > > The Genesee Area Genealogy Society lists the names and addresses for all the Genesee & Wyoming County Historians > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygags/hist.htm > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/

The band schedule from [email protected] for KENTUCKY came up on all the roots web list I'm on! Can this person be banned? It is obvious it is an advertisement for a totally unrelated topic. I will not buy the "Oh I did it accidentally." Not when it hits every e-list from NY I'm on twice under "Fall" and "September". -- Cindy Amrhein Town of Alabama Historian in Genesee Co., NY Experience the Town of Alabama in Genesee County, NY. http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/ APHNYS (Association of Public Historians of New York State) http://www.tier.net/aphnys __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

This is in reference to one of the old newsies which brought up discussion on some of the lists concerning early weather and the "year there was no summer" in 1816. Thought it might be of interest to the rest of you as well. There are several references for weather to be found in local history books of NY State. -Joseph Ellicott and Stories of the Holland Purchase by Clara L.T. Williams 1936 -Pioneer History of the Holland Purchase - by O. Turner 1850 -History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps & Gorham's Purchase, and Morris' Reserve also by O. Turner 1851, which can be read on line in its original form at the "Making of America" website through Cornell University. The link to the book is: http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ACM0485 Other books on the Holland Purchase will recite letters from Ellicott back to Holland describing how bad land sales were going. One of the major reasons was poor crops, bad weather and people getting extremely sick or dying. Here are some quick bits: From the Pioneer history of the Holland Purchase: In reference to the settlement of Orleans Co. " It will be seen few lots were sold there, previous to 1807, thought but little was done in the way of founding a village. Sickness alone would have prevented it in all the early years; and in later years - the projection of the Erie Canal, arrested the projects of Commercial depots along the lakes. "... ... "Mr. Caleb Powers, from whom we derive some local reminiscences of Pike, says, that in 1816 and '17 there was much suffering for food among the new settlers in all that region."... From Joseph Ellicott Stories of the Holland Purchase: ...."There was no doubt of the value of the soil along the lake shore, but there was a wide belt of dense dark forest and wet soil; its whole aspect repulsive and forbidding. This region was sickly in the early years and settlement was slow." Also in a news article submitted by S. PIERSON'S from his journal which he states he started in 1810: LEROY Gazette July 20, 1859 --Unseasonable Frosts -- Written for the Leroy Gazette by S. PIERSON, in his 81st year, July 4, 1859 ... I will now pass over many unseasonable frosts to 1816. This will long be remembered as the cold summer, in which we had frosts more or less severe through all the summer months. A large black spot on the sun was plainly visible to the naked eye, and sometimes when the air was hazy or smoky, it was not painful to my eyes to gaze at it for some minutes. The sun did not shine clear, but with a kind of glimmer as when an eclipse is coming on. This dark spot continued visible for many days to the naked eye. Its magnitude I cannot attempt to describe. To some it might appear as large as a good-sized Cook-stove. Others might think it resembled a balloon; -- others again might think it was the black tariff we heard so much about a few years ago. But whatever it was considered ominous of some great event or calamity, and many various were the predictions and prognostications of what retributive justice had in store for us; none of which ever came to pass as far as I know and believe.".. Some other highlights from his article: Notes a killing frost in July 17 & 18, 1810. -June 7, 1842, great frost. -June 11, 1842, hard frost and abundance of ice. -June 14 & 15, 1847, some frost, coldest ever known; corn and garden withered and blown to death. -June 1, 1848, some frost. Thermometer at 34; on the first day of Jan. last it stood at 63, it being 29 degrees colder on the first day of June, than it was on the first day of Jan. 1848. -Sunday, June 5, 1859, great frost and ice. -May 1834, from 12 to 16 snow squalls, sleighs out, ground frozen. -May 30, 1845, tremendous frost, ice 1/2 of an inch thick, killed corn, potatoes, garden and vegetables. He also discusses the great frost of 1834 where no fruit grew in the area that year. This is a large article but if the list is interested I will type it all up. -- Cindy Amrhein Town of Alabama Historian Genesee Co., NY ********************** Historian's Page - Alabama, NY http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/ Experience the town of Alabama in Genesee County, New York. History, tombstone inscriptions, census records, history of the Tonawanda Seneca Indians and the Iroquois. Enjoy a good murder mystery? Read about the murders of Polly Frisch. APHNYS (The Association of Public Historians of New York State) http://www.tier.net/aphnys/ Genesee County, NY website. Includes History Department, (under "Historian") http://www.co.genesee.ny.us/ The Genesee Area Genealogy Society lists the names and addresses for all the Genesee & Wyoming County Historians http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygags/hist.htm

Hi! I didn't think I'd ever be searching for family in the US, but here I am. I'm after Daniel SWEENEY who arrived in NY in 1909 on the Columbia. The intended address was with his cousin Timothy GALLAGHER at 54 Prospect Place, NYC. I found Daniel on the 1920 census at 154 East 41st Street between Lexington and Third Avenues in Manhattan. Thats as far as I've gotten. The census states he's 30 years old, immigrated 1909 and naturalized 1918. I guess the next step would be his naturalization........not sure how to go about getting it though! Can anyone offer any advice and/or help with this? -- Lindel Kaikoura, New Zealand Veni, Vidi, Velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around

The winter of 1740-41 staged an early arrival, with October "as cold as ordinarily November is," wrote Bolton, Connecticut, town clerk JOHN BISSELL, and a substantial snowfall in mid-November. Two solid weeks of rain in early December resulted in the worst floods on the Connecticut River in half a century, damaging "bridges, fences, hay" and ruining "the Indian corn chambers, cribs . . ." "Extreme cold" followed, then late December brought "a prodigious storm of snow out of the north and north west, which was full knee deep, attended in said storm with violent cold weather," continued BISSELL. "Travelling was almost wholly suspended by reason of the extreme cold and deep snow, and God had sealed up the hand of every man. We had a very sensible consideration of . . . Who can stand before His cold?" LUDLUM reports that by January "Drifting snow soon brought an end to regular travel by highway over New England and the Middle Colonies, and the continuance of penetrating cold soon closed all the rivers and inland waterways with solid ice. Many salt water bays and channels, seldom before frozen, congealed solidly, and even the ocean shore along southern and eastern New England became ringed with an unusual icy surface." Boston Harbor became an expanse of ice so thick that sleighs carried worshipers across it from Dorchester to Sabbath services every week from December 25 until April 1. One man made a 200-mile trip by sleigh over the ice from Cape Cod to New York City. The extreme cold was not confined to the Northeast; that year the York River in Virginia froze hard enough to cross. A January thaw was followed by bouts of more "violent cold" and repeated snowfalls through early March. "The weather continued cold and the snow wasted but slowly, so that there was considerable quantity of snow the middle of April," wrote Bissell. The Connecticut River was still frozen solid enough to be crossed on foot on the first of April. On April 10 snow still lay two and a half feet deep on the ground on the Massachusetts-New Hampshire border. Like the Great Snow of 1717, this phenomenal season produced a story of remarkable survival. "At Guilford [Connecticut], a Sheep was in the winter buried in a storm of snow and lay there ten weeks and three days and came out alive," reported BISSELL. The severe weather affected life in New England long beyond the end of winter. "The spring came on very slowly; the beginning of March about half the people of the government had spent all their hay, and subsisted them by . . . giving out their Indian corn, and by reason of which scarcity a great number of cattle and horses died, and near half the sheep, and about two thirds of the goats," BISSELL wrote. "Exceeding scarcity followed, partly by reason of abundance of Indian corn being ruined by the long rains in December, and partly by people giving their corn to their creatures to save their lives. We suppose the ensuing summer was the greatest scarcity as ever the English felt since the first settlement of this government. Indian corn rose in the price from ten to twenty shillings, and what was commonly sold for twenty shillings, till at last all buying and selling utterly ceased, viz. of corn. Money was no temptation, and men of good estates who had money were forced to put themselves into the quality of beggars, and beg sometimes two quarts at a place,to relieve the distresses of their poor families." (Courtesy, Internet, unknown) http://www.mayflowerfamilies.com/enquirer/weather.htm We located this today and found it to be most interesting! Debbie, CA

The collection of Vital Records in New York State begin in 1881, and are required to be kept by the city or town, as the case may be, in which the event (birth, death, marriage) occurred and by the state (Albany). Some of the larger villages do maintain these records, but not all villages do as they may voluntarily waive their right to do so and make it a responsibility of the town(s) in which the village is (are) in. If the place where the event occurred is in a village, the Town Clerk will tell you if the village or the town maintains the record. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) In this regard, please remember that it is very important to know in which city or town (or village) the event took place and the city or town (or village) could be different from the city or town (or village) where the individual may have resided. Also, because of the problem caused by non-conforming postal zones, the community named in that place's mailing address may not necessarily be the community where that place is actually located. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tova & Happy 5763, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

When my husband & I married we have a license from town 1, married in town 2 by a Justice from town 3. My husband's grandparents got their license in the town they lived in but were married in the next town as that's where they attended church. Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Weaver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: Re: marriage license > I'm not sure how the marriage law read in 1912, but I am an Interfaith Minister in NY State and I know how it reads now: a couple can obtain a license in any municipality in the State and marry in any other municipality. The officiant > must return the license to the issuing municipality's Clerk's Office, not to the one where they married. > Joy Weaver

Not always...........Tompkins county is available only at the Vital Records in the County office building.........I went to the town clerk in Dryden.....they only have marriage records......birth and death were at the county level........so, I believe that perhaps it depends what county..........I know that Cortland County you can get records at the Town Clerks office........ On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:57:46 -0400 "Chris Andrle" <[email protected]> writes: > Vital records are available from the local clerk where the event > occurred > (city, town or village clerk) or from the NYS Department of Health > in > Albany. > > Chris Andrle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Neer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:23 AM > Subject: marriage license > > > > would the marriage license for about 1912 be in the county or > state > records? > > > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web > page: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html > > > > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web > page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt > >

Thanks to all who reply to my question, I wasn't sure where the marriage license would be for NY. state would be, whether it would be like Pa where it is in Harrisburg. Bud

I'd like to add one more wrinkle to this discussion. I'm not sure how the marriage law read in 1912, but I am an Interfaith Minister in NY State and I know how it reads now: a couple can obtain a license in any municipality in the State and marry in any other municipality. The officiant must return the license to the issuing municipality's Clerk's Office, not to the one where they married. This means that a couple could obtain a license in Buffalo and marry in New York City. I know that would be rare, but I'd suggest that if you can't find the license in, say, Marlboro, Ulster Co., you check in Newburgh, Orange Co. or Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co. In other words, look in surrounding Towns and cities. Hope that helps a little. Joy Weaver -- mail to: [email protected] Locations of Long Island Friends Meetings: http://www.nyym.org/liqm Outline trees for: HALLOCK, HEAD, PALMER, SELDEN at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/e/a/Joyce-R-Weaver/ USA (northeast): Burnside, Green, Hallock, Head, Merritt, Morris, Palmer, Selden, Weaver./ CANADA (ON/QC): Brown, Clark, Grant, Weaver./ ENGLAND(Lanc.): Hunt, Wall. POLAND (Krasnik, Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel./ BELARUS (Wisoke-Litovsk, Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg, Petrusnitz, Deibach.

(Batavia, Genesee Co., NY) SPIRIT OF THE TIMES July 10, 1858 --Verdict in the Case of Polly Frisch-- The testimony in the case of Polly Frisch on trial for the murder of her husband was closed for the defence on Friday evening. Saturday was occupied by the Court in hearing arguements for the defence by Mr. WAKEMAN, and by Mr. SWAIN council for the prosecution. After Judge GREENE delivered his charge to the Jury, they retired and on returning, it was announced by the Foreman that the Jury had found a Verdict of Not Guilty. *** NOTE: Those that served at this trial were: Hon. B.F. GREENE, Justice of the Supreme Court John G. BIXBY, Session Justice William BENNETT, Session Justice George BOWEN, District Attorney A. SAWIN, Attorney for the Prosecution Seth WAKEMAN, Atty for the Defence William BRYAN, Atty for the Defence Jurors: (all farmers) Warren C. DUNLAP, Oakfield Sidney F. HUNTING, Pembroke James KENZLE, Darien George B. KEMP, Batavia Warren PUTNAM, Batavia Porter S. DAVID, Bergen Joseph D. CUTLER, Pembroke Sidney W. BUTLER, Bethany John H. WIGGENS, Stafford James SHELDON, Pavilion Daniel CLARK, Oakfield Philip AMIDON, Pembroke Witnesses: Reuben B. WARREN, Alabama Dr. Holton GANSON, Batavia Robert ALMAY, Alabama Robert BAKER, Coroner, Genesee Co. Dr.Samuel BATEMAN, Alabama Calista BATEMAN, Alabama (The doctors wife) Dr. Nelson HORNING, Alabama Dr. O.P. CLARK, Batavia Andrew DAVIS, Alabama Prof. George HADLEY, Prof of Practical Chemestry, University of Buffalo Medical College James GUMAER, Alabama Eli BICKFORD, Alabama Albert HOAG, formerly Alabama, Michigan at time of trial (Polly's now 11 yr old son) Selah VOSBURGH, Alabama James ESPY, Alabama George LESTER, Alabama (formally of Wyoming Co. - one of Polly's brother-in-laws) Mrs. BARBER, Alabama Delia AVERY, Alabama Lovina TABOR, Alabama Lucinda FARLEY, Alabama Timothy HOAG, Michigan (Henry Hoag's brother) Schubel FRANKLIN, Alabama (Polly's father) Julia MAYBACK, formerly Alabama, then Lancaster, Clarence at time of trial ( Polly's sister) Mrs. Abigail FILKINS, Alabama (Henry Hoag's aunt) J.S. McCOMB, Alabama Dr. C.D. GRISWOLD, residence unknown Dr. John COTES, Batavia -- Cindy Amrhein Town of Alabama Historian Genesee Co., NY ********************** Historian's Page - Alabama, NY http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/ Experience the town of Alabama in Genesee County, New York. History, tombstone inscriptions, census records, history of the Tonawanda Seneca Indians and the Iroquois. Enjoy a good murder mystery? Read about the murders of Polly Frisch. APHNYS (The Association of Public Historians of New York State) http://www.tier.net/aphnys/ Genesee County, NY website. Includes History Department, (under "Historian") http://www.co.genesee.ny.us/ The Genesee Area Genealogy Society lists the names and addresses for all the Genesee & Wyoming County Historians http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygags/hist.htm

A couple of people have said that marriage licenses can be obtained from the Clerk where the marriage occurred. In New York State marriages are recorded with the Clerk where the marriage license was obtained, which may or may not be the place where the marriage occurred. Marie Hoffman

For NY State, vital records (other than the state keeping COPIES of them) starts in the local clerks office where the event took place. So you would go to the town, village or city where they were married. Vitals are not kept on a county level. Just a hint when your looking for birth or death. Lets take my kids for example, we lived in Alabama in Genesee County, NY. BUT my children were born at Medina Hospital in Orleans county, NY. So if they need a copy of their birth certificate, I have to go to the Medina village office to get it. Same thing with death. Lets say Mr. Jones lived in Medina all his life, he died while visiting his brother in Buffalo in Erie County, NY. Since he would be pronounced dead in Buffalo, that is where his death certificate would be filed, in the city of Buffalo. Just other things to think about when you are looking for vital records and you can't find them in a town you knew they were living in. -- Cindy Amrhein Town of Alabama Historian Genesee Co., NY ********************** Historian's Page - Alabama, NY http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/ Experience the town of Alabama in Genesee County, New York. History, tombstone inscriptions, census records, history of the Tonawanda Seneca Indians and the Iroquois. Enjoy a good murder mystery? Read about the murders of Polly Frisch. APHNYS (The Association of Public Historians of New York State) http://www.tier.net/aphnys/ Genesee County, NY website. Includes History Department, (under "Historian") http://www.co.genesee.ny.us/ The Genesee Area Genealogy Society lists the names and addresses for all the Genesee & Wyoming County Historians http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygags/hist.htm

Vital records are available from the local clerk where the event occurred (city, town or village clerk) or from the NYS Department of Health in Albany. Chris Andrle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Neer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: marriage license > would the marriage license for about 1912 be in the county or state records? > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html > >

I would check with your county.........and in some cases the town where they applied for the license...........I got my grandparents at the Town Clerks Office (1920)......... Patty On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:23:45 -0700 "Bud Neer" <[email protected]> writes: > would the marriage license for about 1912 be in the county or state > records? > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web > page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html > >