Sharon Poole Sherrick was kind enough to pass along this tidbit: >From the Rochester Daily Union and Advertiser Rochester, Monroe County, New York JUNE 13, 1900 BAKER & IRONS. Miss Mamie C. BAKER and Jay F. IRONS were united in marriage on Tuesday evening, June 5th. Miss Clara HO?MAN, cousin of the bride, acted as bridesmaid, and Lucius IRONS, brother of the groom, was best man. Mr. and Mrs. IRONS will make their home at No. 213 Mt. Hope avenue. Does anyone recognize this couple and have any info on their parents and/or descendants? Jay might have been my 1st cousin twice removed, born ca 1872, possibly in Norwich NY, son of Daniel W IRONS and Bessie/Betsy ARNOLD, grandson of John F IRONS and Mary M CAULKINS, both of whom are buried in Cazenovia, Madison, NY.. If so, Jay would have had two older sisters, Kittie and Mary...and possibly other siblings I don't know about. I would dearly love to contact any of this Jay F IRONS' living descendants, to share what I know about the IRONSes of central NY. Marty Irons Goshen NY

Any connections? From Joe [email protected] Clearing House... Compulsive Genealogy Searcher, ARLT, CLARK, COSTELLO, COVERT, FALANGA, GUIDETTI, HIGGINS, KONEN, PARISI, RIDER, TOMPKINS, Van AUKEN & WAGNER From http://www.gencircles.com/users/avery207/3/data/57 From Obituary Sept 17 1913, Evening Gazette, Port Jervis, NY Clara C. Lybolt, the wife of Alonzo Lybolt died at her home in Cahoonzie this morning of a complication of diseases. Mrs. Lybolt was born in the town of Highland, Sullivan County NY on March 18, 1837, and was therefore, past 76 years of age. She was the daughter of Wilmot Clark and Mary Van Auken Clark, and nearly 50 years ago was married to Alexander Simpson, who was a well-known hotel man in Sullivan county, and who afterwards conducted the hotel where C. L. Dedrick now lives in Sparrowbush, and the old Boulton Basin House, until the time of his death. The decedent continued to conduct that hotel after Mr. Simpson's death until she was married to Mr Lybolt in September 1885. One Sister, Martha Clark Avery, of Monticello, survives her; also an adopted daughter Frances Edwards, wife of Harry Henlon, of this city. There are also a number of nephews and nieces, children of deceased brothers and sisters. The funeral will occur at The residence Friday Afternoon at 2 PM. The internment will be in Sparrowbush Cemetery. ( No grave marker was found for Clara C. Lybolt in Sparrowbush Cemetery. It is possible that she is buried with Mathilde Ann Billings Lybolt, Alonzo's first wife. ) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Please be advised links had been updated linking to additional wills located in different sites. If you know of any full will transcripts not linked, please let me know, including referring to me the links. http://www.sampubco.com/wills/index.htm W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

Hello all, The Italian Genealogical Group is pleased to announce that there is now a new searchable database up on our web site. Naturalization Records for the Southern District Court of NY http://www.italiangen.org/default.stm (then click on the "DATABASES" button) This database contains over 300,000 records (it will eventually grow to over half a million). It contains the index to naturalization records for the years 1926 to 1950. It covers both Manhattan and the Bronx. This index was only made possible with the hard work of many volunteers. It's their way of giving something to the genealogical community. This makes the 4th database that is now on the IGG web site. We also have the indexes to naturalization records in Nassau County, Suffolk County, and Military Camps of the Greater NY area. A database of this size is *very* slow to access so be patient when you access it. Regards, Frank La Rosa -- [email protected] Webmaster: ITALIAN GENEALOGICAL GROUP Web Site http://www.italiangen.org/default.stm Researching Names ==> LA ROSA, BARBAGALLO, NARDINI, MARTINBIANCO, DI LONGHI, CHINCA, STAGNITTA Areas ==> LINGUAGLOSSA, CATANIA VOLPAGO DEL MONTELLO,TREVISO, LA SPEZIA

A Colonial Toy Story September 15th In the colonial period, life was filled with work, but wasn't always hard or boring. Early Americans knew how to turn work into fun by singing or telling stories, having contests, and playing games. What better way to experience the essence of colonial childhood than to join Sherwood House docent Betty Morgan and Yonkers Historical Society Trustee Bob Wilson in a celebration of the life of a Sherwood House child? Betty Morgan will present a workshop demonstration of a variety of toys children used and games they played during Colonial times. High school English teacher Bob Wilson will use this opportunity to share the skills utilized in his studies of one of his childhood interests — Circus Arts. Demonstrating the use of various entertainment techniques in practice since the middle ages, Dr. Wilson will share his expertise in juggling, stilts, balancing, and the unicycle. Our special guest that afternoon, Dave the Magician, through the age old art of magic, will thrill the audience with his illusions at 1:30 that afternoon. This is a unique chance to experience part of the life of a Sherwood House child. Come join us on Sunday, September 15th. Sherwood House, located 340 Tuckahoe Road (at the southbound entrance to the Sprain Brook Parkway) in Yonkers, is one of the few remaining pre-Revolutionary War tenant farmhouses in the New York Metropolitan area. It was built about 1740 by Thomas Sherwood on land leased from Frederick Philipse and was purchased in 1801 by Yonkers’ first physician, Doctor John Ingersoll. Historic Sherwood House, listed on the National Register of Historic Places, is owned and maintained by the Yonkers Historical Society and is open for tours on Sundays from 1 -4 pm through October 6th, or by appointment. All Sherwood House events are free and open to the public. For information, telephone the Yonkers Historical Society at 914-961-8940.

Friends of Philipse Manor Hall Invite you to Join Us to Celebrate America With the Rededication of the Restored Civil War Soldiers & Sailors Monument Saturday 14th September 2002 2 p.m. Philipse Manor Hall State Historic Site Warburton Avenue & Dock Street Yonkers, New York

Any more info on this line? 1. Roland CLARK #22605 b. 1904, Probably NY, m. Ethel COLE #22606, b. 1913, Probably NY, d. 1998. Roland died 1988. Best guess for birth date & location... Parents 2. Merton Dwight CLARK #22603 b. 1878, Probably NY, m. Elsie BURNHAM #22604, b. 1877, Probably NY, d. 1968. Merton died 1949. Best guess for birth date & location... 3. Elsie BURNHAM #22604 b. 1877, Probably NY, d. 1968. Best guess for birth date & location... Grand Parents 4. Clinton CLARK #22601 b. 1856, Probably Franklin Co., NY, m. Lucyetta BRIGGS #22602, b. 1857, Probably NY, d. 1918. Clinton died 188?. Best guess for birth location... 5. Lucyetta BRIGGS #22602 b. 1857, Probably NY, d. 1918. Best guess for birth location... Great Grand Parents 8. Charles Nelson CLARK #22599 b. 1823, Dickinson, Franklin Co., NY, m. Esther MARKS #22600, b. 1829, VT, d. 1873, of Franklin Co., NY. Charles of Franklin Co., NY. 9. Esther MARKS #22600 b. 1829, VT, d. 1873, of Franklin Co., NY. Great Great Grand Parents 16. William Carruth CLARK #22597 b. 1799, Chesterfield, NH, m. Salome HASTINGS #22598, b. 1803, Probably NH, d. 1872, Probably Dickinson, Franklin Co., NY. William died 1872, Probably Dickinson, Franklin Co., NY, of Franklin Co., NY. Moved to Dickinson, Franklin Co., NY in 1822... 17. Salome HASTINGS #22598 b. 1803, Probably NH, d. 1872, Probably Dickinson, Franklin Co., NY. 3rd Great Grand Parents 32. Solomon CLARK #22595 b. 1772, Petersham, Worcester Co., MA, m. (1) Jemima CARRUTH #22596, b. Abt 1775, Probably MA, d. 1815, Probably Chesterfield, NH, m. (2) Aft 1815, in Probably NH, Sarah HILDRETH #22609, b. Abt 1785, Probably NH. Solomon died 1841, Probably Chesterfield, NH. Moved to Chesterfield, NH about 1794... 33. Jemima CARRUTH #22596 b. Abt 1775, Probably MA, d. 1815, Probably Chesterfield, NH. Best guess for birth date & location... 4th Great Grand Parents 64. David CLARK #1144 b. 27 Sep 1737, Probably MA, m. (1) Sarah BACON #22594, b. Abt 1740, Probably MA, m. (2) Mary __________ #22610, b. Abt 1750, Probably MA. David died 1810, Probably Petersham, Worcester Co., MA, of Petersham, Worcester Co., MA. He was a Revolutionary solddier from 1775 at the Battle of Lexington & Concord... 65. Sarah BACON #22594 b. Abt 1740, Probably MA. Best guess for birth date & location... 5th Great Grand Parents 128. David CLARK #1094 b. 23 Apr 1714, Medway, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, m. Abt 1735, in Probably MA, Mehitable HALE #1095, b. Abt 1715, Probably MA, occupation REFN: 1561, d. 18 May 1796, Medway, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. David died 8 Jul 1787, Probably Medway, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. 129. Mehitable HALE #1095 b. Abt 1715, Probably MA, occupation REFN: 1561, d. 18 May 1796, Medway, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Best guess for birth date & location... Death date per: Monna Aldrich' Aldrich & Clark.FTW Repository: Holloway Compressed (Private).FTW Repository: 6th Great Grand Parents 256. Edward (Esq.) CLARK #590 b. 11 Nov 1679, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, m. 09 Jun 1703, in Probably MA, Hannah ADAMS #1093, b. 14 Oct 1685, Probably MA, d. 27 Oct 1775, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Edward died 3 Jul 1746, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, Settled in Medway. 257. Hannah ADAMS #1093 b. 14 Oct 1685, Probably MA, d. 27 Oct 1775, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. 7th Great Grand Parents 512. Benjamin CLARKE #581 b. 9 Feb (N)1644, Dedham, Norfolk, MA, occupation Wheelwright, m. 19 Nov 1665, in Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, Dorcas MORSE #582, b. 24 Aug 1645, Dedham, Norfolk, MA, d. 14 Jul 1725, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, buried: Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Benjamin died 1 Dec 1724, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, buried: Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Probably the Benjamin mentioned by Savage as Freeman, Medfield, 1682... In 1668 had grant for house lot. House was on Main St, opp. where Pound St. enters it. Prominent in town affairs, selectman & representative... Selectman for 17 yrs., and for 2 yrs.-deputy to the general court 513. Dorcas MORSE #582 b. 24 Aug 1645, Dedham, Norfolk, MA, d. 14 Jul 1725, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA, buried: Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. She was daughter of Joseph MORSE and Hannah PHILLIPS.... 8th Great Grand Parents 1024. Joseph CLARKE #572 b. Cir 1613, Banham, Norfolk, ENG, m. 15 Apr 1640, in Banham, Norfolk, ENG, Alice (Alse) FENN #580, b. Abt 1619, ENG, d. 17 Mar (N)1711, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Joseph died 6 Jan (N)1684, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Came 1630, from ENG to Dorchester, MA to Dedham (by 1640) signed the Dedham Covenant 28 Sep 1640 and is one of the proprietors of Dedham, to Medfield (1652), Freeman 1652, admitted a freeman there May 18, 1653. A selectman in 1660. One of his daughters was wife of John Adams in 1682... Mentioned, 1630, in the will of uncle, William, #9804... or dod 6 Jan 1682... 1025. Alice (Alse) FENN #580 b. Abt 1619, ENG, d. 17 Mar (N)1711, Medfield, Suffolk/Norfolk, MA. Torrey lists Alice as 2nd wife of Joseph & b. 1628 & d. 1710.. Listed incorrectly as "Alice PEPPER", previously... 9th Great Grand Parents 2048. Thomas CLARKE #9739 b. Cir 1568, Banham, Norfolk, ENG, occupation Yeoman, m. 17 Oct 1602, in Banham, Norfolk, ENG, Mary CANNE #9740, b. Abt 1580, Old Buckenham, Norfolk, ENG, d. 22 May 1642, Probably Dedham, Norfolk Co., MA. Thomas died May 1638, ENG, buried: 10 May 1638, Banham, Norfolk, ENG, of Westgate, Norfolk, ENG. Mentioned, 1630, in the will of brother, William, #9804, as executor.. 2049. Mary CANNE #9740 b. Abt 1580, Old Buckenham, Norfolk, ENG, d. 22 May 1642, Probably Dedham, Norfolk Co., MA. Probably bp. 1580, Old Buckenham, probably dau of Thomas PLOWMAN alias CANNE of the parishes of Old Buckenham & Benham... Probably the "Mary CLARKE" who d. 22 May 1642, Dedham, MA... Mentioned, 1630, in the will of William, #9804... 10th Great Grand Parents 4096. Rowland CLARKE #9781 b. By 1530, Probably Banham, Norfolk, ENG, m. By 1555, in Banham, Norfolk, ENG, Margaret MICKLEWOOD #9791, b. Abt 1535, of Banham, Norfolk, ENG, d. Jan 1594, Banham, Norfolk, ENG, buried: 25 Jan (N)1594, Banham, Norfolk, ENG. Rowland died Mar 1580, Banham, Norfolk, ENG, buried: 5 Mar (N)1580, Banham, Norfolk, ENG. On Banham Muster roll of 1574... Will dtd 1 Mar (N)1580, prv 10 Apr 1580, in Attleborough... 4097. Margaret MICKLEWOOD #9791 b. Abt 1535, of Banham, Norfolk, ENG, d. Jan 1594, Banham, Norfolk, ENG, buried: 25 Jan (N)1594, Banham, Norfolk, ENG. Best guess for birth date & location... Sister of Martha... dau of Richard & Elizabeth MICKLEWOOD of Banham, Norfolk, ENG... Will dtd 23 Jan 159?, prv 10 Apr 1594, Norfolk, ENG... 11th Great Grand Parents 8192. Robert CLARKE #9777 b. By 1490, Probably Banham, Norfolk, ENG, m. By 1520, in Probably Banham, Norfolk, ENG, Alice _________ #9778, b. Abt 1500, Probably ENG, d. 1554, Banham, Norfolk, ENG. Robert died 1550, Banham, Norfolk, ENG. Will: 24 Sep 1548, prv. 15 Jan 1550/51 at Besthorpe, Norfolk, ENG... 8193. Alice _________ #9778 b. Abt 1500, Probably ENG, d. 1554, Banham, Norfolk, ENG. will dtd 31 Aug 1554, prv. 6 Nov 1554 at New Buckingham, Norfolk, ENG.. 12th Great Grand Parents 16384. John CLARKE #9776 b. Abt 1460, Probably Banham, Norfolk, ENG, d. Probably Banham, Norfolk, ENG. =============================== From Joe [email protected] Clearing House... Compulsive Genealogy Searcher, ARLT, CLARK, COSTELLO, COVERT, FALANGA, GUIDETTI, HIGGINS, KONEN, PARISI, RIDER, TOMPKINS, Van AUKEN & WAGNER ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Orange County Genealogical Society sponsors BASIC GENEALOGY CLASSES 2002 WHERE: Historic 1841 Courthouse 101 Main Street Goshen, NY WHEN: 6 Thursday Evenings October 3, 10, 17, 24; November 7, 14, 2002 TIME: 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM COST: ABSOLUTELY FREE but reservations should be made to assure sufficient handouts are prepared ahead of time. RESERVATIONS: MARILYN TERRY 845-562-2749 [email protected] Send a postcard to: Basic Classes, OCGS, 101 Main Street, Goshen, NY 10924 TOPICS: * Getting Started * Preparing Your Charts * Wills & Deeds * * Census Records * Library Usage * Using City Directories * * Correspondence * Vital Records * Cemetery Rubbings or not * * Compiled Sources * Using FamilySearch.com We realize it may be inconvenient for you to attend all sessions, but you will be provided a booklet with the handouts for ALL classes. Our course has always been well received and helpful for both the novice and the experienced researcher. No tests are given; so don't let that stop you from attending. ABSOLUTELY FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

Can anyone give me the subject headings for the Agricultural Statistics pages of the NY 1875 Census (for Hartwick, Otsego Co)? I've found Jabez Chapman at 78 listed as a laborer (he'd been a blacksmith most of his life). Yet he's listed also in Agricultural Statistics. I was able to read a 1 in Column 45; a 50 in Column 48; and a 200 in Column 49, but that was all. I've checked Bill Dollarhide's The Census Book as well as Florence Clint's New York Area Key (an excellent book, btw), as well as some info I've garnered over the years from the internet and other sources. TIA Jean

oopss.. forgot one surname: BISAILLON...

Its that time once again to re-start my surname research. My "family" came from Canada to USA - NY, MA,CT, TN..and etc. Listed below are the "surnames" that I am currently researching. Please feel free to contact me regarding any of these surnames: Lanqueteau/Lanctot/Lancto/Loncto, Houle, Cardinal, Gadian, Snyder, Tatro, Maheu, Freeman, Daniels, Cooper, Jones, Brouillard, Eberbach, Lajoie, Woodrow, Wellspeak.

ONCE UPON A TIME IN SMALL TOWN AMERICA Presented by Marc Newman Saturday, October 5, 2002 10:30 A.M. Orange County Genealogical Society 1841 Historic Courthouse, 101 Main Street Goshen, NY 10924 ONCE UPON A TIME IN SMALL TOWN AMERICA will emphasize the importance of Villages and Towns such as Walden and Maybrook and their impact on both the National and State levels. Discussion will center on both the Economic as well as Social importance of both Villages in 19th and 20th century America. Marc will have copies of his book Walden and Maybrook available for purchase that he will sign. He will also bring numerous artifacts. Along with this there will be some entertainment that reflects part of the history of the villages. Off-beat historical information will be presented that is both entertaining and highly unusual that will make the day enjoyable and unforgettable. ABOUT OUR SPEAKER Marc Newman is a Research Historian who has been involved in historical research for almost 50 years. Most of this research deals with the History of the United States with specialization on the American Revolution, the Ante-Bellum Era 1850-1861 and the Old West regarding Lawmen and Outlaw History. Mr. Newman has been Chair-Supervisor of History for grades 7-12, while giving numerous presentations to students in the Elementary grades 3-6. Recently retired from 33 years of teaching, he has been Adjunct Professor at SUNY New Paltz, but spends a great deal of time working on numerous literary works, books, newspaper articles, magazine articles, documentary articles and visuals, journal articles and has developed/created 10 historical playing card decks of which his latest, BATTLE FLAGS of the Civil War and UNIFORMS of the Civil War will be forthcoming for pre-Christmas sales. He has been an active speaker and presenter in numerous counties and for many organizations including t! ! he National Council of Social Studies as well as the New York State Council for the Social Studies. His latest text is WALDEN & MAYBROOK and is working on a new series of playing cards as well as another book. These literary works will be marketed for sale in 2003. He is probably best known through portions of Orange County as GENERAL RICHARD MONTGOMERY which he portrays for the Village of Montgomery each year and by the time of this program will have made his annual appearance September 7th, 2002 on General Montgomery Day. 9:00 A.M. Monthly Business Meeting 10:30 A.M. Program Research Room will be open following the program from Noon to 4:00 P.M. Questions or additional information: Marilyn Terry 845-562-2749 [email protected] THIS MEETING AND PROGRAM IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

Links you will find on my web page: http://members.tripod.com/~JeffriesB My FAVORITE LINKS NOTE: RC stands for Reformed Church LC stands for Lutheran Church SOME OF MY PALATINE ANCESTORS AND THEIR CHILDREN Barringer, Treber, Reisdorph, Jager, Simmons, Haner DAVID and HANS GEORGE BARRINGER Some of their descendants JOHANNES and ZACHARIUS and PHILIP BARRINGER Some of their descendants HOLTSAPPLE Family Genealogy WEIDERWACKS/WEATHERWAX/WITHERWAX Some of the desc. of Andreas Weiderwacks TINKLEPAUGH family genealogy SIMON/SIMMONS Some of the desc. of Albertus Simon, Jr. DEFOREST-DEFREEST / WENDELL A few descendants of David Defreest (1747-1815)and a few descendants of Philip Wendell (1741-1812) VAN STEENBERGEN A few desc. of Thomas Janse & Mathys Jansse WITBECK/WHITBECK Family Genealogy JETS - JEETS - YEATS - YATES Some of the descendants of Joseph Yates KLOCKNER-CLICKNER Some of the descendants of Johannes(George) Klockner (1741-1833) KREBSER/CRAPSEY/CROPSEY Desc. fo Wm, Valentine, & Ananias Cropsey REICHARD Some of the descendants of Michael Reichard of Rensselaer Co. SCHNEIDER/SNYDER Some of the early Snyders of Rensselaer Co. KUHLMANN/KILLMORE/KILMER Some of the desc. of Johannes & Anna Veronica (Becker) Kilmer LINCK/LYNK/LINK Some of the desc. of Johann Wilhelm & Anna Eva (Firsback) Link PHILIPP/PHILLIP/PHILLIPS/PHILIPS Some of the desc. of Johann Petrus & Magdalena Philip BRANDAW - BRANDAU - BRANDO - BRANDOW Some of the descendants of Johann Wilhelm & Maria Elisabetha Catharina Brandow of Greene Co., NY For living desc. contact Joe Travis [email protected] and Lisa Orecchio [email protected] DIEDRICH and LAMPMAN Some of the desc. of Johann Friederich Dietrich and some of the desc. of Johann Peter Lampman PERSON and DEWITT A few of the desc. of Matthys & Jan Person and a few of the desc. of Lucas Dewitt - Ulster & Greene Co. PULVER Some of the desc. of Johann Wilhelm (Wendel) Pulver - a Palatine German family. WILTSE - WILLSE - WILSIE Some of the desc. of Marten Hendrickse Wiltse COONARDT A few desc. of Adam & Elisabeth (Clum) Coonradt ANTHONY Some of the early Anthony families in NY State MARRIAGES - GILEAD LUTHERAN CHURCH -Center Brunswick, Rensselaer Co., NY 1802 to 1859 MARRIAGES - SCHODACK REFORMED DUTCH CHURCH at Muitzeskill - Rensselaer Co., NY 1788 to 1846 MARRIAGES - REFORMED PROTESTANT DUTCH CHURCH at NASSAU - Rensselaer Co., NY 1805 -1848 ST. PETER'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH of Albany, NY Marriages 1756-1768 and Bapt. 1757-1759 RENSSELAER CO. PROBATE ABSTRACTS #1 from 1790 RENSSELAER CO. PROBATE ABSTRACTS #2 Continued from #1 RENSSELAER COUNTY DEATHS 1850-1860-1870-1880 Mortality Schedules RENSSELAER CO. MARRIAGES 1864 & 1865 RENSSELAER Co. MARRIAGES 1874 &1875 MARRIAGES from TROY churches 1st Presby. Ch. 1793-1814 and State St. Meth. Ch. 1815-1837 OAKWOOD CEMETERY BURIALS, Troy, NY 1855-1859 and some who died earlier and were moved includes date of death, place of birth, age, & parents BLOOMING GROVE CHURCH RECORDS -Rens. Co. Births 1814-1865 ----Marriages 1831-1862 ---- Deaths 1895-1926 MARRIAGES St. Paul's Episcopal Ch. of Troy - 1805-1829 ----!st Presbyterian Ch. of Brunswick 1876-1887 --- 1st Presbyterian Ch. of Lansingburgh 1840-1848 MORE RENSSELAER CO. DEATHS Incl. Burials from ST PAUL'S EPISCOPAL CH. of TROY and SOCIETY OF FRIENDS BAPTISMS - St. Paul's Episcopal Ch., Troy, NY 1804-1826 BIRTHS & BAPTISMS 1st Presbyterian Ch., Brunswick 1812-1832 and Society of Friends 1743-1840- both Rensselaer Co. MARRIAGES From Troy, NY newspapers 1798-1859 SOME ALBANY CO. CHURCH MARRIAGES various dates from 1797 to 1897 NEW SALEM REFORMED CHURCH Town of New Scotland, Albany Co. marriages 1794 -1797 and births 1786 -1788 WESTERLO VITAL RECORDS, Albany Co. births, deaths, & marriages 1847 - 1848 - 1849 MORE ABSTRACTS OF RENS. CO. PROBATE RECORDS Various dates HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD -1870-CENSUS Troy FIFTH WARD - Nassau-Poestenkill-Bertlin-Grafton (Rensselaer Co., NY) MARRIAGES Taken from Lansingburg Newspapers COLONIAL NATURALIZATIONS from 1715 DEATHS from 1875 STATE CENSUS Deaths of married or widowed persons in Rensselaer Co. SCHENECTADY PUBLIC LIBRARY Churches, Cemeteries, Beog, genealogies etc. jb's Genealogy Page Uline, Dix, Bidwell, Clapper, Cooper, Doty, Carmon, Black, Brust , etc. families RENSSELAER CO. WEB PAGE Census-cemetery-vitals and more JEFF LAPE'S PAGE Lowe/Lape genealogy & more REISDORPH/REYSDORPH some desc. of Lorentz and Johannes Reisdorph Janet Derbyshire's Home Page Sharp-Barringer-Van Schaick and more family genealogies The Descendants of LEWIS DUTCHER Includes: Moon/Balfour/Reiner/Clickner/Ernest THE NEWYORK BARRINGERS desc. of Johannes Coonradt Barringer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Hi All, If your interested in following the progress of the changes at Ellis Island I would suggest checking the Avotaynu Newsletter (Nu?What's New?) Archives. http://www.avotaynu.com/nu.htm This Newsletter has been reporting all the latest information and has included a statement from The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. (SLEIF) in their Sept. 4 Edition. Members of the Avotaynu organization are in contact with both Steve Morse and Ellis Island and are trying to work with them on a solution which is outlined in the same edition. I have signed up for the Newsletter not only to follow the progress of the changes at Ellis Island but after reading a few of their previous ones I found that they are packed with interesting information helpful to just about anyone who is doing research. Val Conway

Hi all, I'm still processing the New York GenLookups page at GenLookups http://www.genlookups.com If there's a resource that I haven't listed, please let me know. Thanks, Bill Obituary Central http://www.obitcentral.com Obituary Links Page http://www.obitlinkspage.com

Thanks Bob, I've joined the mail list and also signed up for the Nu?What's New? newsletter to keep on top of this since it is very important to my research. If you want to take a look at their archives go to: http://www.avotaynu.com/nu.htm Val Conway On 4 Sep 2002, at 13:44, Robert Sullivan wrote: > > I have just read some very disturbing news about changes at the > > Ellis Island site. The Save function for the manifests have been > > disabled and Steve Morse's site which gave us some tremendous > > search options has been shut down due to a threat of a lawsuit. I > > checked out the sites and found that this was true. > > In a discussion about this on another mailing list, Cyndi Howells > (of Cyndi's List) referred interested researchers to a discussion on > the Council of Genealogy Columnists list: > > <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CGC/2002-09> > > Bob Sullivan <[email protected]> > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) <http://www.scpl.org/> > Schenectady Digital History Archive > <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> >

> I have just read some very disturbing news about changes at the Ellis > Island site. The Save function for the manifests have been disabled > and Steve Morse's site which gave us some tremendous search > options has been shut down due to a threat of a lawsuit. I checked > out the sites and found that this was true. In a discussion about this on another mailing list, Cyndi Howells (of Cyndi's List) referred interested researchers to a discussion on the Council of Genealogy Columnists list: <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CGC/2002-09> Bob Sullivan <[email protected]> Schenectady County Public Library (NY) <http://www.scpl.org/> Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/>

One further consideration I plan to point out in my letter of outrage to Ellis Island-Statue of Liberty Foundation is that using the search mechanism they have on their page takes a huge amount of on-line time. Checking each possible spelling only two at a time, entering the dates, entering the age-range, entering the ship's name, all separately, keeps each user "attached" to their site for much longer than when using Steve Morse's all-in-one search. This can easily cause site crashes because more people will be on at the same time. This does not seem like a plus for them in my book! Joy Weaver

Re: Major Changes to Ellis Island Search and Save Capabilities I have just read some very disturbing news about changes at the Ellis Island site. The Save function for the manifests have been disabled and Steve Morse's site which gave us some tremendous search options has been shut down due to a threat of a lawsuit. I checked out the sites and found that this was true. I have some comments on both issues. First, the ability to save the manifest allowed researchers to enlarge the copy and read the small notations. It is impossible to read much of the manifest as it appears online even in it's largest form. Without reading where and who the person lived with before they immigrated or the person and final destination of the ancestor it is often not possible to verify that we have the correct manifest. Why would we consider paying $25 US ($37 Cdn + $5 for a US Bank Draft) for one page of this document without even knowing if it pertains to our heritage. Also the printed copy is not always as clear as it's digital counterpart which can be enlarged to 2-3-4 or even 500 times it's original size. Second threatening Steve Morse with a lawsuit if he doesn't close his site sounds like bad business practice to me. Steve has helped many researchers find their ancestors when the search engine on the Ellis Island site failed. Does The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation want us to find the manifests or not? Would it not be a wiser move to hire Steve Morse and use his expertise to set up an online search engine that works well instead of taking away our only search engine that will find some of our manifests? Without Steve's site fewer manifests will be found and if the SLEIF is looking for money from people ordering the manifests then how many orders will they loose if the manifests can't be found? Is this good business practice? A Newsletter concerning the lawsuit is at the end of this e-mail. I feel this is a sad day for Genealogy. The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. (SLEIF) raised huge amounts of money for the Ellis Island site and used volunteers to do the work. Over 12,000 volunteers from the LDS and many others either for personal reasons or as part of other organizations decided to donate their precious time and money. Now that people are using the site the SLEIF has changed the original policies which may have been instrumental in getting many of the donations. The LDS who I gather may have been their biggest or one of their biggest contributers provides us all with genealogical data at reasonable rates. I wonder if they are feeling good about what is happening now. Reasonable rates are not what I am finding on this site. If your interested in reading more about the volunteers you can go to google and do a search on: Volunteers "Ellis Island" I wonder how many people who donated time and money in the past and would have donated in the future will be rethinking their decision. Futhermore this will probably make it harder for other genealogical organizations to get donations and volunteers for things on the internet. Those of us who volunteer may come to believe that things will change for the worse as soon as the donations are gathered. Is that not what we are being told by these changes? If you want to voice your opinion on these changes I suggest you send an e-mail or letter to The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. [email protected] Or write: The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. Attention: History Center 292 Madison Ave New York, NY 10017 If anyone gets an answer I hope you will post it since many have said that they have not received answers to their questions in the past. =========More about threat of lawsuit================= From: Nu? What's New? News About Jewish Genealogy from Avotaynu Vol. 3, No. 16 - September 2, 2002 SPECIAL EDITION Gary Mokotoff, Editor Steve Morse "One-Step" Site Forced to Shut Down ======================================= Under the threat of legal action from The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. (SLEIF), Stephen Morse has shut down all of his sites that link to the Ellis Island Database. The Foundation accused Morse of creating a site that performs what has come to be known as "deep linking." Deep linking is the act of linking to a page at a web site other than the Home Page. Deep linking may, indeed, be illegal. In a court case brought in a country of the European Union, it was deemed illegal and, therefore, cannot be performed in any country of the EU. In the United States, a Georgia state law that banned deep linking was ruled unconstitutional only because it overstepped the boundaries of Georgia law which has to be limited to events which occur within the state. A number of years ago, Ticketmaster, a U.S. company that sells tickets to events, sued Microsoft, who was providing deep links to the Ticketmaster site. The case was settled out of court with Microsoft agreeing not to continue the practice. Morse and SLEIF actually came close to an agreement which would allow portions of his site to remain available until they provided comparable service, but the contract they presented him to sign demanded that he admit that what he did was "in violation of the Foundation's legal rights and in breach of the Foundation's terms and conditions...." The contract then stated SLEIF would forgive him for past sins. Morse refused to agree to such terms and decided instead to close his site. Deep linking is a common practice. Every search engine performs the function. Every edition of "Nu? What's New?" includes such links. Web site owners normally do not object to the practice because it has a positive benefit to the site owner. However, this does not mean they cannot reserve the right to request that such a practice be selectively banned. Additional information about this controversy can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/04/cyber/cyberlaw/07law.ht ml, which, of course, is a deep link into The New York Times web site. ======End of Newsletter Editorial ==========

I am trying to find the parents of my 3rd great grandfather : looking for info on: OSBORN, ABRAM-37130 (M) Birth 20 Sep 1832 in ROCKLAND , NEW YORK , USA Prison Sing Sing Prision (1849) (age 17) Census 1850 in Ossining , Westchester , New York (age 18) Census 1860 in GOSHEN , ATALISSA , MUSCATINE , IOWA , USA (age 28) Military 8 Jul 1862 (age 29) Census 1870 in TIPTON , CEDAR , IOWA , USA (age 38) Census 1880 in IOWA , CEDAR , IOWA , USA (age 48) Pension ROCHESTER , CEDAR , IOWA , USA (10 Apr 1895) (age 62) Death 11 Nov 1895 in ROCHESTER , CEDAR , IOWA , USA (age 63) Burial 12 Nov 1895 in WEST BETHEL CEMETERY , WEST BRANCH , CEDAR , IOWA , USA (age 63) Illness Pnemonia Spouse/Mate ADELIA BALDWIN-28792 Marriage 24 May 1857 in MUSCATINE , MUSCATINE , IOWA , USA (age 24) Child JOHN TURNER OSBORN-37131 (3 Mar 1861-1936) Child ABBIE OSBORN-28770 (1863-) Child PERNIA OSBORN-78454 (12 Apr 1866-1 Jan 1953) Child LEANDER OSBORN-28771 (11 Apr 1869-1939) Child ABRAM OSBORN-23359 (Feb 1871-) Child HARRIETT OSBORN-23785 (1871-) Child CHESTER ARTHUR OSBORN-23352 (1875-1959) Child GUY OSBORN-14830 (12 Jul 1881-10 Oct 1889) Child WALTER OSBORN-23363 (1891-) Mary Stickney (Stanley, Stubby, Missy, Bob, Betty, Wilma , Boy , Koko , Tiny) Stickneys Toy Breed Rescue - "Don't breed or buy , while those in rescue die." Dogs are like children , They act like the people who raise them www.chihuahua-rescue.com , www.crar.org , www.ratbonerescues.com , www.weewiddleonesrescue.com , www.puppymillrescue.com , www.bostonrescue.net , www.nebraskarescuers.com Who was my Father, see a picture :http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0106p hoto.html Story here: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=sti ckneys&id=I78609