Dave Hinz has helped me more than once. I've subscribed to this newsletter for three years and he provides more help on a regular basis than anyone else. And in my case he's been right on each time. Go away whoever you are, we're here to provide assistance, and rejoice with others when a break comes thru for them. There is enough attitude in the world, we don't need you. Daughter of Scandinavia On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 05:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > GEN-NORDIC-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 146 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen [[email protected]] > #2 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen ["Steven" > <[email protected]] > #3 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen > [=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Otto_J=F8rgensen?= ] > #4 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen [[email protected]] > #5 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen ["Steven" > <[email protected]] > #6 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen [Robert Heiling > <[email protected]>] > #7 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen ["Michael VanBaaren" > <[email protected]] > #8 [GEN-NORDIC] Cranks [Olaf <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from GEN-NORDIC-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the GEN-NORDIC-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:19:19 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> vikings used no surnames > > Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of which > have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why > nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", > (patronyms), > or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. > > What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's > the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think > about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until > population > gets too large. > >> never assume in genealogy you will get stuck > > Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the > resources to see what comes up, isn't it? > > Dave Hinz > > ______________________________ > > > > From: "Steven" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:15:09 AM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of > participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) - > might > want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor > before > venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! > > Steven > Copenhagen > Denmark > > <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:[email protected] >> Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> vikings used no surnames >> >> Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of >> which >> have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why >> nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", >> (patronyms), >> or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. >> >> What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's >> the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think >> about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until >> population >> gets too large. >> >>> never assume in genealogy you will get stuck >> >> Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the >> resources to see what comes up, isn't it? >> >> Dave Hinz >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > > ______________________________ > > > > From: Otto J¯rgensen <otjoerge%spam%@online.no> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:18:45 AM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:55:33 GMT, in soc.genealogy.nordic, > [email protected] wrote: > >> I was told by a "name source expert" that my surname, Skirvin, was >> Scandanavian, either Norwegian or Swedish, but not Danish. >> >> A local (Metropolitan Phoenix AZ) professional genalogist found that a >> Norwegian ancestor had married an Elizabeth Skirvin in 1730 in Norway. >> >> I wondered if there are any Norwegion census data online where I could >> assess the frequency of the Skirvin surname there. >> >> The name came to this continent from Scotland. There are a number of >> Skirvins and variants of that spelling in the Scottish Church CD-ROMs >> which >> leads me to conjecture that the Skirvin surname was carried to >> Scotland by >> Viking settlers. >> >> Any suggestions about research directions would be appreciated. > > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/wc/ > webcens.exe?slag=meny&kategori=1&spraak=e > > > -- > Otto Jørgensen > http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ > http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/ > All email is checked by NORTON > > ______________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:06:58 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Someone who looks an awful lot like Steven <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of >> participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) > > I don't understand what you mean by this, could you be taking offense > at my quoting style, or what? Or perhaps you're reacting to my choice > of email providers/spam filtering service, which is called spamcop.net? > >> - might >> want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor >> before >> venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! > > Perhaps you can explain how I have made any factual errors at all in my > statements? Are the patronyms not to explain who your father is? > If you are claiming they are not, please provide information as to how > they are not. Further, if you are claiming that surnames have not > been > derived from these and placenames in English-speaking countries, I'd > have > to question your experience in such matters, as they're widespread > here. > > Further, are the gardsnavn not to explain where you live? What > specific > aspect of this do you feel to be untrue, Steven of Copenhagen, Denmark? > > I responded to Hugh's statement that the Vikings used no surnames, and > explained how a norse name could be turned into a surname in a country > which uses them. Do you assert that such does not happen? > > Lastly, I don't understand where your apparent hostility is coming > from. > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > > Interesting...I've seen that tagline before. Time to read some > headers, > it seems. > > Dave Hinz > > ______________________________ > > > > From: "Steven" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:58:42 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a > question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was > totally > useless! > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your > header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot > of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the > "great" > help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address > is > clearly seen. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received > more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had > hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how > they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I > would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy > for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the > little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as > it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from > sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this > gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there > is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he > can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. > As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, > he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted > to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond > in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that > you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on > American > genealogy! > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in > Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want > - no > skin off my nose! > > > Steven > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > > ______________________________ > > > > From: Robert Heiling <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:02:58 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Steven wrote: > >> I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a >> question I >> posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was >> totally >> useless! >> At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your >> header. As >> you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a >> lot of >> fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the >> "great" >> help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to >> search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address >> is >> clearly seen. >> The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received >> more >> than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had >> hardly >> any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! >> If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how >> they work >> and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was >> changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then >> I would >> suggest that you do read some books on this subject. >> As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy >> for >> more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the >> little odd >> jobs involved in researching familyroots. >> Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as >> it is >> called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from >> sure that >> you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this >> gårdnavn! >> Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all >> over >> Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there >> is only >> one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! >> Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where >> he can >> search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. >> As far >> as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, >> he is >> constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted >> to >> getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond >> in >> Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? >> I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your >> consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that >> you >> regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think >> you >> would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on >> American >> genealogy! >> And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in >> Europe! >> As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you >> want - no >> skin off my nose! >> >> Steven > > That post of yours above was totally insulting and misguided. Dave > Hinz is one > of the more knowledgeable and helpful people who post here in this > newsgroup > (and in others) and your attack on him was uncalled for. You owe him a > public > apology! > > You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's > quite > common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of > integrity > by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is > the marker > of a trouble-maker. > > Bob > > ______________________________ > > > > From: "Michael VanBaaren" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:55:21 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Wow, somebody's cranky! > > "Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a >> question > I >> posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was > totally >> useless! >> At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your >> header. > As >> you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a >> lot of >> fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the > "great" >> help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to >> search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address >> is >> clearly seen. >> The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received >> more >> than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had >> hardly >> any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! >> If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how >> they > work >> and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was >> changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I > would >> suggest that you do read some books on this subject. >> As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy >> for >> more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the >> little > odd >> jobs involved in researching familyroots. >> Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as >> it is >> called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from >> sure > that >> you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this >> gårdnavn! >> Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all >> over >> Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there >> is > only >> one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! >> Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where >> he can >> search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. >> As > far >> as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, >> he > is >> constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted >> to >> getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond >> in >> Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? >> I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your >> consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that >> you >> regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think >> you >> would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on > American >> genealogy! >> And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in > Europe! >> As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you >> want - > no >> skin off my nose! >> >> >> Steven >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 >> >> > > ______________________________ > > > > From: Olaf <[email protected]> > Date: Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:40:07 AM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Cranks > > > I thought we got away from cranks when we got electric starters! > Olaf > > >> Wow, somebody's cranky! >> >> "Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected] >>> I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a > question >> I >>> posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was >> totally >>> useless! >>> >>>

I'm amazed to see just how many Americans, and others, offer their "help" in this newsgroup. As always the requests are in English and the answers must be in English as well, as most of those wanting help do not speak any of the Scandinavian languages! If only the same service could be provided when one asks questions in the predominantly English speaking newsgroups! But, alas - it is not so. True search in genealogy is based on facts - not fiction. This means looking at the sources, the old books, the registers, the church records etc. etc. How come that so many Americans, and others, far away from this part of the world have such an in depth knowledge of all these records? Have they been here? Or is it just based on available records - not checked or verified - that anyone can find on the internet? So, "Daughter of Scandinavia" - whoever you are - the attitudeproblem seems to be in your end. We don't need you you say, go away you say. I suppose you refer to me. Well, I was born here- what about you? Perhaps a more humble approach will get you a lot more positive replies - this is not the Marines, mind you! Steven "Marcia H Stice" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email protected] > Dave Hinz has helped me more than once. I've subscribed to this > newsletter for three years and he provides more help on a regular basis > than anyone else. And in my case he's been right on each time. Go > away whoever you are, we're here to provide assistance, and rejoice > with others when a break comes thru for them. There is enough attitude > in the world, we don't need you. > Daughter of Scandinavia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.493 / Virus Database: 292 - Release Date: 26-06-2003

"Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I'm amazed to see just how many Americans, and others, offer their "help" in > this newsgroup. As always the requests are in English and the answers must > be in English as well, as most of those wanting help do not speak any of the > Scandinavian languages! you do not need to speak a langugae to read it and a 300 word glossary will cover most Danish family records Even rhe Danes are particularly bad at old Danish as it is not taught in school and then one can always ask a friend > If only the same service could be provided when one asks questions in the > predominantly English speaking newsgroups! But, alas - it is not so. > True search in genealogy is based on facts - not fiction. This means looking > at the sources, the old books, the registers, the church records etc. etc. > How come that so many Americans, and others, far away from this part of the > world have such an in depth knowledge of all these records? the LDS has filmed more than 86 000 reels of Danish records which copies are kept at UTAH and are consulted all around the world The online catalogue here http://www.familysearch.org is better than that of the Rigsarkivet in Copenhagen which is not yet finished enoough to be made available to the public see http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp make a place search in Danish spelling http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&PLACE=kobenhavn&PARTOF=&prePLACE=kobenhavn&prePARTOF= and see http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=150238&subject_disp=Denmark,_København&columns=*,180,0 click a few layers down Folketælling : København amt, 1901 Dragør FHL INTL Film 264643 more ace Denmark, København, Store Magleby References (Use for) Denmark, København, Dragør Topics Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Census - 1787 Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Census - 1801 Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Census - 1834 Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Census - 1845 Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Church records Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Genealogy Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Land and property Denmark, København, Store Magleby - Probate records > Have they been here? Or is it just based on available records - not checked > or verified - that anyone can find on the internet? snipped diatribe http://www.familysearch.org Learn about the world's largest family history library. • Find a family history center near you where you can access many of the library's materials. so just down the road from me Coventry England Riverside Close Whitley Coventry, West Midlands County, England Phone: 24 7630 3316 Hours: M 10am-12pm; T-F 10am-2pm; T-Th 7-9pm. Help here http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/Denmark9.asp >> Most materials used in Danish research are written in Danish. Although you do not need to speak or read Danish in order to do research in Danish records, you do need some knowledge of the language to understand the records. You may also find some Latin and German in Danish records. Because Danish grammar may affect the way words appear in the records, the words in a dictionary or word list may be slightly different. < http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/Denmark16.asp#language_and_languages How many Danes know LATIN ? more http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=site:www.familysearch.org+danish+glossary now see aftægtskone