I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally useless! At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is clearly seen. The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would suggest that you do read some books on this subject. As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd jobs involved in researching familyroots. Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from sure that you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that you regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American genealogy! And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no skin off my nose! Steven --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003

Steven wrote: > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally > useless! > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" > help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is > clearly seen. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American > genealogy! > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no > skin off my nose! > > Steven That post of yours above was totally insulting and misguided. Dave Hinz is one of the more knowledgeable and helpful people who post here in this newsgroup (and in others) and your attack on him was uncalled for. You owe him a public apology! You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's quite common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of integrity by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is the marker of a trouble-maker. Bob

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:02:58 GMT, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote: >You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's quite >common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of integrity >by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is the marker >of a trouble-maker. "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time." - Neal Stephenson regards, -- Leif Biberg Kristensen http://solumslekt.org/ mail to leif at solumslekt dot org

Someone who looks an awful lot like Steven <[email protected]> wrote: > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally > useless! I just googled for that post, it was you asking for information about a "Kai Kristensen" who was known to be alive in 1969. You were looking for info on him. I suggested that one resource would be to check the Social Security Death Index, to see if he was deceased, which would certainly give you information on if he had died, and if so, when and where. Hard to see how that can be interpreted as "totally useless". Another time, you were asking about Holger Christian Rasmussen, and I suggested that perhaps soc.genealogy.nordic would be a possible resource for your query. (you had asked in alt.genealogy). Apparently, based on your presence in this group today, you found that advice not to be "totally useless". > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" > help you are providing them with. Think about what you're saying. You, yourself, are advertising your own email address in your very own From: header. It's there with your text-name. Please go look at it, and you'll see. (Go ahead, I'll wait...) > Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is > clearly seen. And yet, how could I have gotten it if it wasn't right there in your From: header? You yourself are choosing to share it. News flash: the spammers know about the From: header too. Yes, really. That's why the From: that they send spam from is usually forged. They know that that is where email addresses are; it's easy to find, easy to filter for. Text in a message body (such as in my quote attribution line) is much trickier to parse for. If you've done any programming, a cursory look at the two types of data will make that immediately obvious - in a From: header line, it's in a known location within the message, in a line that's easy to find, which has a known, consistant format. Simple to get from there, no additional information has been given out that you're not already (ignorantly, apparently,) doing yourself. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing your claim. Let me clarify. I feel your claim is a lie. > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. I asked you previously to describe the factual errors in my statement, and I see just more abuse. What's your name, who is your daddy, and where are you from. Tell me how, for instance, the name Marthe Trondsdatter Simenstad, does not follow this format. Show your work. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. Nobody was questioning your experience, I was asking you to explain why you are claiming that my statements are incorrect. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. Pardon me for not having the proper keyboard installed. Does it change the factual content of my post? No. It's a typo. Get over it. > No, it is far from sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. Of course. Lots of hills, valleys, or whatever. Lots of unique ones, too, as you undoubtedly know due to your decades of experience. Shall we trade lists? (I can think of better ways to spend my time). > It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! What high horse? I stated that patronyms can be turned into surnames in English-speaking countries. Do you, or do you not agree? I also mentioned that the location names can be turned into surnames in English-speaking countries. Go back, read my post again, this time without whatever attitude problem you have. > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? Partially, although it distresses me greatly to think that we may be related. > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. Apparently the word "hostility" means different things to each of us. > I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses ...which you yourself have chosen to expose, in the obvious, predictable, universally used location... > and the fact that you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. And yet, you resort to personal attacks while continuing to refuse to explain how what I have written is factually in error. > I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American > genealogy! It depends. Based on this interaction, I'd have serious reservations in taking your word for anything, given your wild baseless accusations and your lack of answering direct questions. > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no > skin off my nose! I don't know what your problem is with me, Steven, but if you insist on continuing your little rant, why don't you take it to email? We can discuss it there without noising up the group further with your hostility and attitude problem. Dave Hinz