Robert Heiling wrote: > Stein R wrote: > >> Stein R <steinjr@nospam.com> wrote in news:Xns9666143B2EC5Asteinjr@ >> 193.213.112.19: >> > Then again, parts of what was Skodje municpality in 1901 (Vatne parish) >> > became part of Haram municipality in 1965 according to the list of >> > border changes at disnorge.no >> > >> > (URL http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php?todo=visKategori&kid= >> <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php?todo=visKategori&kid=> >> > 100373). > > Many thanks again for that tip and it clears up some confusion for me. > The main clues that I had been working on for my research were the names > "Helland" & "Hellandshavn", probably in More og Romsdal. Helland (with Hellandshavn) is in Vatne. During the > course of that searching, I had located many references to those names > and one in particular to the H-vinduet factory in Hellandshavn in Vatne. > Ever since I later successfully found the family in Skodje on the > Helland gard, I thought those Helland's must be 2 separate locations: > Vatne & Skodje. It's now clear that they are the same place since the > gard was in Skodje in 1901 (in the census) and in Vatne in 2005 (when I > am doing the lookups). There is no farm Helland in Skodje (years 1760, 1950, 2005). I will not exclude the possibility that there is (has been) a holding with this name under a farm with another name. Locals, if any reading this group, may be able to answer. I wouldn't have known that without your help! and > wouldn't have known the right bok to look for. > >> > Vatne bygdebok. Gards- og ættesoge. >> > By Harald Slyngstad >> > Publisher: Haram kommune, 1983 >> > 2 volumes >> > (Farm histories and genealogy) >> > Note: Volume 1 covers farm number 70 Klokset to farm number 95 >> > Osgoten, and >> > Volume 2 covers farm number 96 Vatnehold to farm number 117 Høgset. >> > >> > I would check out volume 1 of Vatne bygdebok, and see if it has a >> > farm >> > no 84 named Helland (or some reasonable approximation of Helland). >> > >> > Smile, >> > Stein R >> >> And a google search on seach terms Vatne bygdebok Helland yields: >> >> Ancestors from Norway - Bygdebøker from Møre og Romsdal... Vatne >> bygdebok. Gards- og ættesoge. By Harald Slyngstad ... Bringsvor, Dalen, >> Halsen, Hammaren, Hatlebrekke, Haugsholmen med Frekøy, Helland, Hola, >> ... >> homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/more_og_romsdalbb.html - 98k - Cached - >> Similar pages >> >> Apparently no longer on the listed web page, but confirms the info you >> were looking for. There is a Helland farm listed in Vatne bygdebok. >> > Thanks again for that. I was looking in the wrong place.:-) The website > that shows: > Vatne bygdebok, Bind I > Gards- og ættesoge. G.nr. 70, Klokset-g.nr.95, Osgoten. > Forfattar Harald Slyngstad. > Utgjevar Haram kommune 1983. ISBN: 82-991046-0-2. > > has a link to: > <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/oppslager.php?id=130314> > which looks like a way to ask some questions of somebody who has access > to the bygdebok. Do you know if I should just leave my name & email > address there? and what are the chances that person can speak English? > I realize that you have no way of knowing, but your guess is going to be > better than mine. :-) my guess is that the chance is about 99%... > >> Good luck on finding more info on your ancestral farm. > > My contact was absolutely thrilled when I found their family in the 1901 > census. Most of them emmigrated to the US. Now I would like to find a > way for my contact to get copies of the Helland portion of that > bygdebok. They would naturally expect to pay for that effort, but it's > probably easiest if we could locate a source in the US. > > Many thanks for your help! > > Bob >

"Ivar S. Ertesvåg" wrote: > Robert Heiling wrote: > > Stein R wrote: > > > >> Stein R <steinjr@nospam.com> wrote in news:Xns9666143B2EC5Asteinjr@ > >> 193.213.112.19: > >> > Then again, parts of what was Skodje municpality in 1901 (Vatne parish) > >> > became part of Haram municipality in 1965 according to the list of > >> > border changes at disnorge.no > >> > > >> > (URL http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php?todo=visKategori&kid= > >> <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php?todo=visKategori&kid=> > >> > 100373). > > > > Many thanks again for that tip and it clears up some confusion for me. > > The main clues that I had been working on for my research were the names > > "Helland" & "Hellandshavn", probably in More og Romsdal. > > Helland (with Hellandshavn) is in Vatne. Thanks for that additional input. > > During the > > course of that searching, I had located many references to those names > > and one in particular to the H-vinduet factory in Hellandshavn in Vatne. > > Ever since I later successfully found the family in Skodje on the > > Helland gard, I thought those Helland's must be 2 separate locations: > > Vatne & Skodje. It's now clear that they are the same place since the > > gard was in Skodje in 1901 (in the census) and in Vatne in 2005 (when I > > am doing the lookups). > > There is no farm Helland in Skodje (years 1760, 1950, 2005). > I will not exclude the possibility that there is (has been) a holding > with this name under a farm with another name. Locals, if any reading > this group, may be able to answer. It does appear there in the 1901 census though with 9 households listed. That's what threw me off since I didn't know that it had been transferred to Vatne sometime between 1901 and now. > > I wouldn't have known that without your help! and > > wouldn't have known the right bok to look for. > > > >> > Vatne bygdebok. Gards- og ættesoge. > >> > By Harald Slyngstad > >> > Publisher: Haram kommune, 1983 > >> > 2 volumes > >> > (Farm histories and genealogy) > >> > Note: Volume 1 covers farm number 70 Klokset to farm number 95 > >> > Osgoten, and > >> > Volume 2 covers farm number 96 Vatnehold to farm number 117 Høgset. > >> > > >> > I would check out volume 1 of Vatne bygdebok, and see if it has a > >> > farm > >> > no 84 named Helland (or some reasonable approximation of Helland). > >> > > >> > Smile, > >> > Stein R > >> > >> And a google search on seach terms Vatne bygdebok Helland yields: > >> > >> Ancestors from Norway - Bygdebøker from Møre og Romsdal... Vatne > >> bygdebok. Gards- og ættesoge. By Harald Slyngstad ... Bringsvor, Dalen, > >> Halsen, Hammaren, Hatlebrekke, Haugsholmen med Frekøy, Helland, Hola, > >> ... > >> homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/more_og_romsdalbb.html - 98k - Cached - > >> Similar pages > >> > >> Apparently no longer on the listed web page, but confirms the info you > >> were looking for. There is a Helland farm listed in Vatne bygdebok. > >> > > Thanks again for that. I was looking in the wrong place.:-) The website > > that shows: > > Vatne bygdebok, Bind I > > Gards- og ættesoge. G.nr. 70, Klokset-g.nr.95, Osgoten. > > Forfattar Harald Slyngstad. > > Utgjevar Haram kommune 1983. ISBN: 82-991046-0-2. > > > > has a link to: > > <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/oppslager.php?id=130314> > > which looks like a way to ask some questions of somebody who has access > > to the bygdebok. Do you know if I should just leave my name & email > > address there? and what are the chances that person can speak English? > > I realize that you have no way of knowing, but your guess is going to be > > better than mine. :-) > > my guess is that the chance is about 99%... Thanks. I just tried it and we'll see what happens. > >> Good luck on finding more info on your ancestral farm. > > > > My contact was absolutely thrilled when I found their family in the 1901 > > census. Most of them emmigrated to the US. Now I would like to find a > > way for my contact to get copies of the Helland portion of that > > bygdebok. They would naturally expect to pay for that effort, but it's > > probably easiest if we could locate a source in the US. > > > > Many thanks for your help! > > > > Bob > >

Robert Heiling wrote: > "Ivar S. Ertesvåg" wrote: >> > The main clues that I had been working on for my research were the >> names >> > "Helland" & "Hellandshavn", probably in More og Romsdal. >> >> Helland (with Hellandshavn) is in Vatne. >> > Thanks for that additional input. > >> > During the >> > course of that searching, I had located many references to those names >> > and one in particular to the H-vinduet factory in Hellandshavn in >> Vatne. >> > Ever since I later successfully found the family in Skodje on the >> > Helland gard, I thought those Helland's must be 2 separate locations: >> > Vatne & Skodje. It's now clear that they are the same place since the >> > gard was in Skodje in 1901 (in the census) and in Vatne in 2005 (when I >> > am doing the lookups). >> >> There is no farm Helland in Skodje (years 1760, 1950, 2005). >> I will not exclude the possibility that there is (has been) a holding >> with this name under a farm with another name. Locals, if any reading >> this group, may be able to answer. >> > It does appear there in the 1901 census though with 9 households listed. > That's what threw me off since I didn't know that it had been > transferred to Vatne sometime between 1901 and now. > Ok - I had a further look: The Helland in Skodje 1900 is farm No. 84, which is also the farm No. of Helland in Vatne. Moreover, there is no Vatne herad/kommune in this census. The explanation: In 1858 Skodje sokn and Vatne sokn ('sokn'= subparish) were separated from Borgund prestegjeld ('prestegjeld'=parsih) to form the new Skodje parish. From (about) the same time, this constituted Skodje kommune ('kommune', 'herad'/'herred' = municipality), from which Vatne kommune was separated in 1902. The two sokn/kommune remained one prestegjeld until 1966. In 1964 Vatne kommune merged into Haram kommune, and in 1966 Vatne sokn was transferred from Skodje prestegjeld to Haram prestegjeld. Thus: Your Helland is in Vatne, which in 1900 was in Skodje kommune. The relevant bygdebok is for Vatne.

"Ivar S. Ertesvåg" <ivar.s.ertevag@ntnu.no> wrote in news:d7fk3e$md5$1@orkan.itea.ntnu.no: > Robert Heiling wrote: >> Stein R wrote: >> >>> Stein R <steinjr@nospam.com> wrote in news:Xns9666143B2EC5Asteinjr@ >>> 193.213.112.19: >>> > Then again, parts of what was Skodje municpality in 1901 (Vatne >>> > parish) became part of Haram municipality in 1965 according to the >>> > list of border changes at disnorge.no >>> > >>> > (URL >>> > http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php?todo=visKategori&kid= >>> <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php?todo=visKategori&kid=> >>> > 100373). >> >> Many thanks again for that tip and it clears up some confusion for >> me. The main clues that I had been working on for my research were >> the names "Helland" & "Hellandshavn", probably in More og Romsdal. > > Helland (with Hellandshavn) is in Vatne. Yup, that was my conclusion too. And Vatne parish (sokn) was part of Skodje municipality in 1900, but not after 1966, when Vatne parish became part of Haram municipality instead. > During the >> course of that searching, I had located many references to those >> names and one in particular to the H-vinduet factory in Hellandshavn >> in Vatne. Ever since I later successfully found the family in Skodje >> on the Helland gard, I thought those Helland's must be 2 separate >> locations: Vatne & Skodje. It's now clear that they are the same >> place since the gard was in Skodje in 1901 (in the census) and in >> Vatne in 2005 (when I am doing the lookups). > > There is no farm Helland in Skodje (years 1760, 1950, 2005). > I will not exclude the possibility that there is (has been) a holding > with this name under a farm with another name. Locals, if any reading > this group, may be able to answer. > > I wouldn't have known that without your help! and >> wouldn't have known the right bok to look for. >> >>> > Vatne bygdebok. Gards- og ættesoge. >>> > By Harald Slyngstad >>> > Publisher: Haram kommune, 1983 >>> > 2 volumes >>> > (Farm histories and genealogy) >>> > Note: Volume 1 covers farm number 70 Klokset to farm number 95 >>> > Osgoten, and >>> > Volume 2 covers farm number 96 Vatnehold to farm number 117 >>> > Høgset. >>> > >>> > I would check out volume 1 of Vatne bygdebok, and see if it has a >>> > farm >>> > no 84 named Helland (or some reasonable approximation of Helland). >>> > >>> > Smile, >>> > Stein R >>> >>> And a google search on seach terms Vatne bygdebok Helland yields: >>> >>> Ancestors from Norway - Bygdebøker from Møre og Romsdal... Vatne >>> bygdebok. Gards- og ættesoge. By Harald Slyngstad ... Bringsvor, >>> Dalen, Halsen, Hammaren, Hatlebrekke, Haugsholmen med Frekøy, >>> Helland, Hola, ... >>> homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/more_og_romsdalbb.html - 98k - Cached >>> - Similar pages >>> >>> Apparently no longer on the listed web page, but confirms the info >>> you >>> were looking for. There is a Helland farm listed in Vatne bygdebok. >>> >> Thanks again for that. I was looking in the wrong place.:-) The >> website that shows: >> Vatne bygdebok, Bind I >> Gards- og ættesoge. G.nr. 70, Klokset-g.nr.95, Osgoten. >> Forfattar Harald Slyngstad. >> Utgjevar Haram kommune 1983. ISBN: 82-991046-0-2. >> >> has a link to: >> <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/oppslager.php?id=130314> >> which looks like a way to ask some questions of somebody who has >> access to the bygdebok. Sorry - that web form it is a way for someone to register "I have access to the book and am willing to do lookups for others". >> Do you know if I should just leave my name & email address there? Not unless you want to disappoint people contacting you in the hope that you will do lookups for _them_ :-) >> and what are the chances that person can speak English? >> I realize that you have no way of knowing, but your guess is >> going to be better than mine. :-) > > my guess is that the chance is about 99%... Or at least 90+%. You might find a few people born before WW2 that doesn't speak any English, but most of us know at least some English. >>> Good luck on finding more info on your ancestral farm. >> >> My contact was absolutely thrilled when I found their family in the >> 1901 census. Most of them emmigrated to the US. Now I would like to >> find a way for my contact to get copies of the Helland portion of >> that bygdebok. They would naturally expect to pay for that effort, >> but it's probably easiest if we could locate a source in the US. Borgund/Haram/Skodje area - that's Møre og Romsdal province (fylke). I would try to contact the genealogist of the Vestland (West Country) bygdelag (home area association) in America. They have their web page at http://www.fellesraad.com/vestlandslag.htm, They will have their next stevne (meet) at Sioux Falls June 16th-18th 2005. Smile, Stein

Stein R wrote: > "Ivar S. Ertesvåg" <ivar.s.ertevag@ntnu.no> wrote in > news:d7fk3e$md5$1@orkan.itea.ntnu.no: > > > Robert Heiling wrote: > >> Stein R wrote: > > >> The website that shows: > >> Vatne bygdebok, Bind I > >> Gards- og ættesoge. G.nr. 70, Klokset-g.nr.95, Osgoten. > >> Forfattar Harald Slyngstad. > >> Utgjevar Haram kommune 1983. ISBN: 82-991046-0-2. > >> > >> has a link to: > >> <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/oppslager.php?id=130314> > >> which looks like a way to ask some questions of somebody who has > >> access to the bygdebok. > > Sorry - that web form it is a way for someone to register "I have > access to the book and am willing to do lookups for others". Oh oh. I took that to mean that a person was saying: "Jeg har følgende kilde og kan hjelpe . . . ". This is funny. > >> Do you know if I should just leave my name & email address there? > > Not unless you want to disappoint people contacting you in the hope > that you will do lookups for _them_ :-) Too late now<lol> as I already did it a while ago. Won't they be surprised. :-) > >> and what are the chances that person can speak English? > >> I realize that you have no way of knowing, but your guess is > >> going to be better than mine. :-) > > > > my guess is that the chance is about 99%... > > Or at least 90+%. You might find a few people born before WW2 that > doesn't speak any English, but most of us know at least some English. > > >>> Good luck on finding more info on your ancestral farm. > >> > >> My contact was absolutely thrilled when I found their family in the > >> 1901 census. Most of them emmigrated to the US. Now I would like to > >> find a way for my contact to get copies of the Helland portion of > >> that bygdebok. They would naturally expect to pay for that effort, > >> but it's probably easiest if we could locate a source in the US. > > Borgund/Haram/Skodje area - that's Møre og Romsdal province (fylke). > > I would try to contact the genealogist of the Vestland (West Country) > bygdelag (home area association) in America. They have their web page > at http://www.fellesraad.com/vestlandslag.htm, > > They will have their next stevne (meet) at Sioux Falls June 16th-18th > 2005. There is also the Vesterheim that I'd heard about: http://vesterheim.org/index.php and which may have what we're looking for. Thanks again Bob