Geezzzz, lets' see now, is Abu Jason highlighting the e-mail address of participant "Steven" too??? Shucks , here i thought that most e-mail programs are/were set up to reflect whose message is being answered...so please at least make that one: "which at all times likes to highlight..." And what sort of system does ccc98484 aka "Steven of Copenhagen in Denmark" use??? Something like: " [email protected] skrev i en meddelelse " Well tack tack for that! It still is "WHICH likes to highlight" ... I rather like the " Someone who looks an awful lot like ___ " as the world is full of uncertainties, and that at least is a certainty! And perhaps even "Steven of Copenhagen in Denmark" can at least agree to that; as disagreeable as he/she/it is. Salaam! AJ cc: <[email protected]> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of > participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) - might > want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor before > venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! > > Steven > Copenhagen > Denmark > > <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:[email protected] > > Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > vikings used no surnames > > > > Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of which > > have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why > > nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", (patronyms), > > or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. > > > > What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's > > the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think > > about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until population > > gets too large. > > > > > never assume in genealogy you will get stuck > > > > Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the > > resources to see what comes up, isn't it? > > > > Dave Hinz > > >

"Bjørn Sundseth" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email protected] > How is your smile, mr Steven? Could you show us? J Steven --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003

"Bjørn Sundseth" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email protected] > I think you should be a little less bombastic in your way of behavior. > How is your smile, mr Steven? Could you show us? J --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003

Hei all, I am on this list to help others when I am capable of doing so, and love doing so as I have the time. Get over your impish ways and get on with life. ;-) Spam has nothing to do with this list usually, it is the sites YOU visit with your computer and the sites keep track of your email address. I just changed my email address after being online since 1994. I don't visit those sites, so do not have to worry about it and I also have a macintosh, which there are 10 viruses for that and 10,000 for the rest of you with the other brands. So lets get back to genealogy, which this list is SUPPOSED to be about. When we pick apart each other, we are no better then the person doing the picking!!!! Margit in Minnesota

Dave Hinz has helped me more than once. I've subscribed to this newsletter for three years and he provides more help on a regular basis than anyone else. And in my case he's been right on each time. Go away whoever you are, we're here to provide assistance, and rejoice with others when a break comes thru for them. There is enough attitude in the world, we don't need you. Daughter of Scandinavia On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 05:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > GEN-NORDIC-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 146 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen [[email protected]] > #2 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen ["Steven" > <[email protected]] > #3 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen > [=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Otto_J=F8rgensen?= ] > #4 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen [[email protected]] > #5 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen ["Steven" > <[email protected]] > #6 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen [Robert Heiling > <[email protected]>] > #7 [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Cen ["Michael VanBaaren" > <[email protected]] > #8 [GEN-NORDIC] Cranks [Olaf <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from GEN-NORDIC-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the GEN-NORDIC-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:19:19 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> vikings used no surnames > > Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of which > have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why > nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", > (patronyms), > or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. > > What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's > the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think > about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until > population > gets too large. > >> never assume in genealogy you will get stuck > > Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the > resources to see what comes up, isn't it? > > Dave Hinz > > ______________________________ > > > > From: "Steven" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:15:09 AM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of > participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) - > might > want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor > before > venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! > > Steven > Copenhagen > Denmark > > <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:[email protected] >> Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> vikings used no surnames >> >> Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of >> which >> have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why >> nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", >> (patronyms), >> or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. >> >> What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's >> the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think >> about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until >> population >> gets too large. >> >>> never assume in genealogy you will get stuck >> >> Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the >> resources to see what comes up, isn't it? >> >> Dave Hinz >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > > ______________________________ > > > > From: Otto J¯rgensen <otjoerge%spam%@online.no> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:18:45 AM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:55:33 GMT, in soc.genealogy.nordic, > [email protected] wrote: > >> I was told by a "name source expert" that my surname, Skirvin, was >> Scandanavian, either Norwegian or Swedish, but not Danish. >> >> A local (Metropolitan Phoenix AZ) professional genalogist found that a >> Norwegian ancestor had married an Elizabeth Skirvin in 1730 in Norway. >> >> I wondered if there are any Norwegion census data online where I could >> assess the frequency of the Skirvin surname there. >> >> The name came to this continent from Scotland. There are a number of >> Skirvins and variants of that spelling in the Scottish Church CD-ROMs >> which >> leads me to conjecture that the Skirvin surname was carried to >> Scotland by >> Viking settlers. >> >> Any suggestions about research directions would be appreciated. > > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/wc/ > webcens.exe?slag=meny&kategori=1&spraak=e > > > -- > Otto Jørgensen > http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ > http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/ > All email is checked by NORTON > > ______________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:06:58 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Someone who looks an awful lot like Steven <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of >> participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) > > I don't understand what you mean by this, could you be taking offense > at my quoting style, or what? Or perhaps you're reacting to my choice > of email providers/spam filtering service, which is called spamcop.net? > >> - might >> want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor >> before >> venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! > > Perhaps you can explain how I have made any factual errors at all in my > statements? Are the patronyms not to explain who your father is? > If you are claiming they are not, please provide information as to how > they are not. Further, if you are claiming that surnames have not > been > derived from these and placenames in English-speaking countries, I'd > have > to question your experience in such matters, as they're widespread > here. > > Further, are the gardsnavn not to explain where you live? What > specific > aspect of this do you feel to be untrue, Steven of Copenhagen, Denmark? > > I responded to Hugh's statement that the Vikings used no surnames, and > explained how a norse name could be turned into a surname in a country > which uses them. Do you assert that such does not happen? > > Lastly, I don't understand where your apparent hostility is coming > from. > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > > Interesting...I've seen that tagline before. Time to read some > headers, > it seems. > > Dave Hinz > > ______________________________ > > > > From: "Steven" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:58:42 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a > question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was > totally > useless! > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your > header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot > of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the > "great" > help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address > is > clearly seen. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received > more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had > hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how > they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I > would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy > for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the > little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as > it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from > sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this > gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there > is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he > can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. > As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, > he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted > to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond > in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that > you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on > American > genealogy! > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in > Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want > - no > skin off my nose! > > > Steven > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > > ______________________________ > > > > From: Robert Heiling <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:02:58 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Steven wrote: > >> I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a >> question I >> posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was >> totally >> useless! >> At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your >> header. As >> you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a >> lot of >> fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the >> "great" >> help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to >> search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address >> is >> clearly seen. >> The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received >> more >> than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had >> hardly >> any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! >> If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how >> they work >> and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was >> changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then >> I would >> suggest that you do read some books on this subject. >> As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy >> for >> more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the >> little odd >> jobs involved in researching familyroots. >> Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as >> it is >> called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from >> sure that >> you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this >> gårdnavn! >> Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all >> over >> Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there >> is only >> one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! >> Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where >> he can >> search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. >> As far >> as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, >> he is >> constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted >> to >> getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond >> in >> Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? >> I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your >> consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that >> you >> regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think >> you >> would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on >> American >> genealogy! >> And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in >> Europe! >> As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you >> want - no >> skin off my nose! >> >> Steven > > That post of yours above was totally insulting and misguided. Dave > Hinz is one > of the more knowledgeable and helpful people who post here in this > newsgroup > (and in others) and your attack on him was uncalled for. You owe him a > public > apology! > > You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's > quite > common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of > integrity > by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is > the marker > of a trouble-maker. > > Bob > > ______________________________ > > > > From: "Michael VanBaaren" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:55:21 PM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Any Norwegion Censuses (Censusi?) online > > > Wow, somebody's cranky! > > "Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a >> question > I >> posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was > totally >> useless! >> At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your >> header. > As >> you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a >> lot of >> fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the > "great" >> help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to >> search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address >> is >> clearly seen. >> The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received >> more >> than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had >> hardly >> any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! >> If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how >> they > work >> and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was >> changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I > would >> suggest that you do read some books on this subject. >> As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy >> for >> more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the >> little > odd >> jobs involved in researching familyroots. >> Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as >> it is >> called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from >> sure > that >> you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this >> gårdnavn! >> Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all >> over >> Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there >> is > only >> one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! >> Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where >> he can >> search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. >> As > far >> as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, >> he > is >> constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted >> to >> getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond >> in >> Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? >> I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your >> consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that >> you >> regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think >> you >> would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on > American >> genealogy! >> And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in > Europe! >> As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you >> want - > no >> skin off my nose! >> >> >> Steven >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 >> >> > > ______________________________ > > > > From: Olaf <[email protected]> > Date: Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:40:07 AM US/Eastern > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Cranks > > > I thought we got away from cranks when we got electric starters! > Olaf > > >> Wow, somebody's cranky! >> >> "Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected] >>> I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a > question >> I >>> posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was >> totally >>> useless! >>> >>>

Just some corrections, Mr. Steven. The patronyms in Norwegion must be -sen, -son or -sønn, -datter, -dotter or -dottir, never dottor. Gardsnavn might not be correct, but it is used. The same is gardsnamn, gårdsnamn or gårdsnavn. Also gardnamn is used and is correct. Gaardsnavn is Danish. It was used in Norway when danish was the language they wrote in Norway. The danish period combined with hundreds of dialects is the reason why it is so many allowed ways of spelling the words in Norwegian. I think you should be a little less bombastic in your way of behavior. How is your smile, mr Steven? Could you show us? "Steven" <[email protected]> skrev i melding news:[email protected] > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally > useless! > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" > help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is > clearly seen. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American > genealogy! > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no > skin off my nose! > > > Steven > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > >

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:02:58 GMT, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote: >You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's quite >common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of integrity >by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is the marker >of a trouble-maker. "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time." - Neal Stephenson regards, -- Leif Biberg Kristensen http://solumslekt.org/ mail to leif at solumslekt dot org

To-day I received 9 spammails + 1 Bugbear! I owe nothing to Dave Hinz - least of all a public apology! Knowledable and helpful! That is your opinion. I only get spam and virus as a result! Your childish remarks about "being a man" and "hiding behind only Steven" - I'm sure you know what you can do with! I have been signing my mails with Steven only for years, and I intend to continue to do so in the future. EOD Steven "Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email protected] > > Steven > > That post of yours above was totally insulting and misguided. Dave Hinz is one of the more knowledgeable and helpful people who post here in this newsgroup > (and in others) and your attack on him was uncalled for. You owe him a public apology! > > You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's quite common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of integrity by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is the marker of a trouble-maker. > Bob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003

Someone who looks an awful lot like Leif B. Kristensen <[email protected]> wrote: > "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game > because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable > from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of > free time." Good point, Leif. Thanks for the reminder. Dave Hinz

Someone who looks an awful lot like Steven <[email protected]> wrote: > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally > useless! I just googled for that post, it was you asking for information about a "Kai Kristensen" who was known to be alive in 1969. You were looking for info on him. I suggested that one resource would be to check the Social Security Death Index, to see if he was deceased, which would certainly give you information on if he had died, and if so, when and where. Hard to see how that can be interpreted as "totally useless". Another time, you were asking about Holger Christian Rasmussen, and I suggested that perhaps soc.genealogy.nordic would be a possible resource for your query. (you had asked in alt.genealogy). Apparently, based on your presence in this group today, you found that advice not to be "totally useless". > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" > help you are providing them with. Think about what you're saying. You, yourself, are advertising your own email address in your very own From: header. It's there with your text-name. Please go look at it, and you'll see. (Go ahead, I'll wait...) > Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is > clearly seen. And yet, how could I have gotten it if it wasn't right there in your From: header? You yourself are choosing to share it. News flash: the spammers know about the From: header too. Yes, really. That's why the From: that they send spam from is usually forged. They know that that is where email addresses are; it's easy to find, easy to filter for. Text in a message body (such as in my quote attribution line) is much trickier to parse for. If you've done any programming, a cursory look at the two types of data will make that immediately obvious - in a From: header line, it's in a known location within the message, in a line that's easy to find, which has a known, consistant format. Simple to get from there, no additional information has been given out that you're not already (ignorantly, apparently,) doing yourself. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing your claim. Let me clarify. I feel your claim is a lie. > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. I asked you previously to describe the factual errors in my statement, and I see just more abuse. What's your name, who is your daddy, and where are you from. Tell me how, for instance, the name Marthe Trondsdatter Simenstad, does not follow this format. Show your work. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. Nobody was questioning your experience, I was asking you to explain why you are claiming that my statements are incorrect. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. Pardon me for not having the proper keyboard installed. Does it change the factual content of my post? No. It's a typo. Get over it. > No, it is far from sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. Of course. Lots of hills, valleys, or whatever. Lots of unique ones, too, as you undoubtedly know due to your decades of experience. Shall we trade lists? (I can think of better ways to spend my time). > It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! What high horse? I stated that patronyms can be turned into surnames in English-speaking countries. Do you, or do you not agree? I also mentioned that the location names can be turned into surnames in English-speaking countries. Go back, read my post again, this time without whatever attitude problem you have. > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? Partially, although it distresses me greatly to think that we may be related. > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. Apparently the word "hostility" means different things to each of us. > I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses ...which you yourself have chosen to expose, in the obvious, predictable, universally used location... > and the fact that you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. And yet, you resort to personal attacks while continuing to refuse to explain how what I have written is factually in error. > I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American > genealogy! It depends. Based on this interaction, I'd have serious reservations in taking your word for anything, given your wild baseless accusations and your lack of answering direct questions. > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no > skin off my nose! I don't know what your problem is with me, Steven, but if you insist on continuing your little rant, why don't you take it to email? We can discuss it there without noising up the group further with your hostility and attitude problem. Dave Hinz

Wow, somebody's cranky! "Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally > useless! > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" > help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is > clearly seen. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American > genealogy! > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no > skin off my nose! > > > Steven > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 > >

Hej ! Jag söker ättlingar till Jacob Melcher Carlsson född 1838-03-25 på Stensjöfall, Nykil (E). Familjen bor i slutet av 1800-talet på någon av gårdarna vid Trehörninge mellan Fagerhult och Skälleryd i Östergötland. Fler namnuppgifter finns på http://home.swipnet.se/chamre/familj ( Carlsson, Jacob Melcher (1838-1920) Hoppas att någon vet något !! Tack. Hälsningar Christer Hamré

Steven wrote: > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally > useless! > At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As > you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of > fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" > help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to > search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is > clearly seen. > The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more > than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly > any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! > If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work > and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was > changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would > suggest that you do read some books on this subject. > As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for > more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd > jobs involved in researching familyroots. > Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is > called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from sure that > you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! > Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over > Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only > one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! > Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can > search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far > as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is > constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to > getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in > Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? > I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your > consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that you > regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you > would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American > genealogy! > And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! > As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no > skin off my nose! > > Steven That post of yours above was totally insulting and misguided. Dave Hinz is one of the more knowledgeable and helpful people who post here in this newsgroup (and in others) and your attack on him was uncalled for. You owe him a public apology! You might also try to be man enough to post with your full name. It's quite common for trouble-makers to hide behind anonymity and your lack of integrity by hiding behind only "Steven" instead of giving your full name, is the marker of a trouble-maker. Bob

I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question I posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was totally useless! At that time you also chose to expose my e-mail adddress in your header. As you very well know, a lot of spammers and people who think it is a lot of fun to mail viruses to people in the newsgroups, will rejoice in the "great" help you are providing them with. Now they don't need to spend time to search for the e-mail addresses - as you make sure the e-mail address is clearly seen. The last time I refer to - when I got a reply from you - I received more than 90 spammails and 3 viruses within 24 hours! Before that, I had hardly any spamming and only very few virus mailed to me! If you do not yet know about Scandinavian patronyms in detail, how they work and how they can be used in genealogy, and in what year the system was changed as far as -sen, -son, -datter and -dottor is concerned, then I would suggest that you do read some books on this subject. As far as my own experience goes, I have been working with genealogy for more than 30 years. Before that I did help my family with all the little odd jobs involved in researching familyroots. Then you write: gardsnavn. I presume that you mean gaardsnavn, or as it is called here in Denmark - gårdsnavn or gårdnavn. No, it is far from sure that you can explain where a person lives - or lived - just by this gårdnavn! Further, a lot of these farms (gårde) have the very same names all over Scandinavia. It is only very few that are so outstanding, that there is only one place with that name! So, get off your high horse! Hugh Watkins is living here in Denmark, he goes to the places where he can search and check the backgrounds of the families he is interested in. As far as I have been able to follow his engagement in the Danish newsgroup, he is constantly trying to assist other people here, and he is very devoted to getting his informations confirmed. He even takes the time to respond in Danish - even he is not Danish. I'm Danish - are you? I have no hostility, and have not expressed any. I just oppose your consistent use - and exposure - of e-mailaddresses and the fact that you regard yourself an expert on Scandinavian genealogy. I hardly think you would think it was appropiate that I should start to lecture you on American genealogy! And, when it comes to that - most Americans have their roots here in Europe! As far as headers is concerned - you can read all the headers you want - no skin off my nose! Steven --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003

I thought we got away from cranks when we got electric starters! Olaf > Wow, somebody's cranky! > > "Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > I have, some time ago - unfortunately - received an answer, to a question > I > > posted in another newsgroup - from you. The answer, by the way, was > totally > > useless!

Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:55:33 GMT, in soc.genealogy.nordic, [email protected] wrote: >I was told by a "name source expert" that my surname, Skirvin, was >Scandanavian, either Norwegian or Swedish, but not Danish. > >A local (Metropolitan Phoenix AZ) professional genalogist found that a >Norwegian ancestor had married an Elizabeth Skirvin in 1730 in Norway. > >I wondered if there are any Norwegion census data online where I could >assess the frequency of the Skirvin surname there. > >The name came to this continent from Scotland. There are a number of >Skirvins and variants of that spelling in the Scottish Church CD-ROMs which >leads me to conjecture that the Skirvin surname was carried to Scotland by >Viking settlers. > >Any suggestions about research directions would be appreciated. http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/wc/webcens.exe?slag=meny&kategori=1&spraak=e -- Otto Jørgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/bk/ All email is checked by NORTON

Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) - might want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor before venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! Steven Copenhagen Denmark <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email protected] > Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > vikings used no surnames > > Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of which > have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why > nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", (patronyms), > or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. > > What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's > the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think > about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until population > gets too large. > > > never assume in genealogy you will get stuck > > Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the > resources to see what comes up, isn't it? > > Dave Hinz > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003

Someone who looks an awful lot like Steven <[email protected]> wrote: > Dave Hinz - who at all times likes to highlight the e-mail address of > participants in any newsgroup (is he some sort of cop! - or what?) I don't understand what you mean by this, could you be taking offense at my quoting style, or what? Or perhaps you're reacting to my choice of email providers/spam filtering service, which is called spamcop.net? > - might > want to consider the meaning of -sen and -son, -datter and -dottor before > venturing into answering questions he knows nothing about! Perhaps you can explain how I have made any factual errors at all in my statements? Are the patronyms not to explain who your father is? If you are claiming they are not, please provide information as to how they are not. Further, if you are claiming that surnames have not been derived from these and placenames in English-speaking countries, I'd have to question your experience in such matters, as they're widespread here. Further, are the gardsnavn not to explain where you live? What specific aspect of this do you feel to be untrue, Steven of Copenhagen, Denmark? I responded to Hugh's statement that the Vikings used no surnames, and explained how a norse name could be turned into a surname in a country which uses them. Do you assert that such does not happen? Lastly, I don't understand where your apparent hostility is coming from. > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18-06-2003 Interesting...I've seen that tagline before. Time to read some headers, it seems. Dave Hinz

Someone who looks an awful lot like Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> wrote: > vikings used no surnames Well, no, but they used both patronyms and place names, either of which have often been anglicized into the concept of a surname. This is why nordic folks will often be found with the "-sen" or "-son", (patronyms), or the name of a place of a farm which their ancestors came from. What's your name, who's your daddy, and where are you from? That's the basic structure of the nordic naming conventions. If you think about it, it identifies people to a very precise degree, until population gets too large. > never assume in genealogy you will get stuck Well, OK, but it's certainly worth plugging his name into some of the resources to see what comes up, isn't it? Dave Hinz

Looking for living families after; Kjeld Colbjørnsen Roshauw Born 24. June 1786 Dead 28. May 1847 and his wife Thora Dorothea Wardrum Roshauw Born 12. August 1785 Dead 20. June 1873. Please answer here, or directly to my E-mail. Yours Rune Fosberg -- E-post til Rune sendes: [email protected] E-mail er sjekket av Norton AntiVirus 2003