Hi. Urskog would be Aurskog in a modern map, in Akershus. Aremark is north east of Halden in Østfold. Idd is south east of Halden. All these places are close to the Swedish border. Berg is not short for Bergen, but there are several places and also farms called Berg in Norway. Ruth ""Anne Ohlgren"" <anne@supercoolers.com> skrev i melding news:000001c4c820$d744de60$6402a8c0@SUPERCOOLERS... > Hello again > I am trying without success to find place names on a modern day map, so I am > assuming the names were changed. > The places were: > Idd > Aremark > Urskog > > Also, if someone's birthplace on the censuses was Berg, is that short for > Bergen? > > Anne in Victoria BC >

I am trying to get in touch with Helge Nybø, who has frequently participated in this group in recent years. Does anyone have a current e-mail address for her? Or if she's reading this, perhaps she could get in touch with me. Thanks. Bill Peterson wsp@wam.umd.edu

Hi Anne! No, only one of the names has changed, Urskog to Aurskog. Idd is a parish in Østfold, in Halden kommune. Aremark is a parish in Akershus. Urskog = Aurskog in Akershus. Go here: http://www.hvor.no/kart.aspx Enter the names, you get some choices - pick 'kirke' for the first two, Aurskog-Høland for the last. You can zoom in and out with the buttons on the right. And I doubt Berg would be an abbreviation for Bergen. Berg is a pretty common farm name and may be a parish name as well. Olaf

Hello again I am trying without success to find place names on a modern day map, so I am assuming the names were changed. The places were: Idd Aremark Urskog Also, if someone's birthplace on the censuses was Berg, is that short for Bergen? Anne in Victoria BC

scanbar@prodigy.net wrote: > There are servers down and apparently Norway, Sweden, Denmark and perhaps others are affected. They hope to have the problem fixed soon. I received a notice from rootsweb about it. > > Barbara Pretty much every list I'm subscribed to (which is about 10 or 12) has ceased, or the number of emails has been drastically cut. I used to get about 20 email a day of rootsweb digests, now it's about 6, if I'm lucky. Christina >

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:23:03 GMT, John Ferman <jwferman@NOSPAM.ties2.net> wrote: > For a long while I was getting regular email feeds from Rootsweb on > the Denmark and Norway lists. During the past 10 days, or so, the feeds > ceased. I'm still getting them OK, has your mail server started some sort of spam filtering? Sometimes mailing lists get caught in those until you have them white-listed. Dave Hinz

For a long while I was getting regular email feeds from Rootsweb on the Denmark and Norway lists. During the past 10 days, or so, the feeds ceased. Last night I went to Rootsweb and re-subscribed to those two list. I expected a 'welcome' message this morning and maybe even a pair of feeds - but nothing. Does anyone reading this NG know what seems to be transpiring at Rootsweb with respect to their email feed lists? Thanks, John Ferman ferma001@umn.edu

This is a difficult subject. Researching Family History In the United Kingdom is easy, but researching estonian/finiish?? family history is almost impossible. I had my estonian grandmother's name translated, but there are two versions ukvamberg and ukvolberg. Ukvamberg was the translated name given by the russian embassy in London but Ukvolberg was the translated name given by a linguist in Cardiff university. I really need some advice as to how to proceed. Any suggestions please. Jean Sapsted

Appears they had these children: www.familysearch.org BERTHE CHRISTINE GRAATEN - International Genealogical Index / NO Gender: Female Christening: 12 SEP 1847 Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway SOREN GRAATEN - International Genealogical Index / NO Gender: Male Christening: 18 MAR 1849 Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway ANDERS GRAATEN - International Genealogical Index / NO Gender: Male Christening: 29 JUN 1851 Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway HANS GRAATEN - International Genealogical Index / NO Gender: Male Christening: 27 DEC 1853 Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway MAREN OLEA GRAATEN - International Genealogical Index / NO Gender: Female Christening: 09 MAY 1861 Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway (These were submitted by someone, so the Churchbook records will need to be checked.) Flesberg Bygdebok <http://home.c2i.net/grover/Filer/slekt/Flesbergindeks.htm> Index for Bind I, Sigurd Vinger, Flesberg kommune 1989 Bind II, Sigurd Vinger, Flesberg kommune 1990 Bind III, Sigurd Vinger, Flesberg kommune 1992 Bind IV, Sigurd Vinger, Flesberg kommune 1995 Bind V, Sigurd Vinger, Flesberg kommune 1997 Bind VI, Sigurd Vinger, Flesberg kommune 2001 Bind VII gleder vi oss til Flesberg Flesberg, fraa dei eldste tidir til no By Tov Flatin Published by Olaf Norlis, 1923 4 volumes (Volumes 1 - 2 are general history, volumes 3 - 4 are farm histories and genealogy) Flesberg-boka: Bustad og ætt By Sigurd Vinger Published by Flesberg Kommune, 1992 6 volumes (All 6 columes contain farm histories and genealogy) 1801 Census Graaten Nordre Plads Under Hovaldsrud Graaten Søndre Plads Under Hovaldsrud Graaten Østre Plads Under Hovaldsrud 1865 Census Graaten (plads) Graaten nordre (plads) Graaten søndre (plads) > Johan Hansen Graaten who was born about 1827 and is found in Flesberg, > Buskerud, Norway... married Maren Turinne Sorensdatter > > Any know about this family? > > Is there a bygdebok that would include this farm?

At 10:35 AM 11/10/04 -0700, you wrote: > Last night I went to Rootsweb and re-subscribed to those two >list. I expected a 'welcome' message this morning and maybe even a pair >of feeds - but nothing. Hi John, Norwaylist has been down since Nov.2nd. Its still being fixed. In the meantime, we are using an alternative list, for fun. Here is the address to join us. Karla Halsan Mattila aka Lena of Norwaylist LutefiskTimes-subscribe@topica.com

I received this notice concerning the email. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "List Administration" <etmaddox@peoplepc.com> To: <GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Mail not coming through > Hilda, > > One of the mail servers is not up and running. Depending on > which lists, you might not be receiving mail because of that > outage. This time Gen-Newbie lucked out. It was not our > server that is having problems <smile>. Remember that you > can always check the Help Desk at Rootsweb. If it is a > known problem they will post a brief notice about any > outages. > > Elaine > > Why do psychics have to ask you for your name? > --Steven Wright > > Hello Hilma > > On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, you wrote > > > > I have not received emails from any of my mailing > > lists lately--about 5 days. That is why I rejoined > > Gen-Newbie, to see if rootsweb is working. Obviously so, > > as my subscription went through, and I am receiving many > > letters fron that list. Does anyone know whether there > > has been a problem with any of the other mailing lists? > > The ones I belong to are ususally very active.(I am on 6 > > or 7), and I have not had even one e-mail lately. it is > > hard to believe that not even one person is writing. Do > > you have any ideas? > > > > hilwin > > > ==== GEN-NEWBIE Mailing List ==== > Remember, if someone posts a flame on the list, just ignore, or reply privately. The list managers are watching, and will take care of it. When we reply to those messages, we are adding to the problem. > > Gen-Newbie URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~newbie > >

There are servers down and apparently Norway, Sweden, Denmark and perhaps others are affected. They hope to have the problem fixed soon. I received a notice from rootsweb about it. Barbara

"Pat Holling" <pholling@tds.net> wrote in message news:<41903edd$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>... > I am trying to help a friend with this family... the information they have > is as follows: > > Johan Hansen Graaten who was born about 1827 and is found in Flesberg, > Buskerud, Norway... married Maren Turinne Sorensdatter > > Any know about this family? > > Is there a bygdebok that would include this farm? > > Thanks so much. > > Pat Holling Johan Hansson Graaten (1821-1908) and Maren Turine Sørensdtr. (ca.1817-1899) and their 9 children are found under Håvardsrudhagen on pg.583-584 in Bind (Volume) VI of Flesbergboka (Sigurd Vinger, 2001). Maren Turine Sørensdtr. was from Sandsvær, Buskerud. Johan Hansson was from Vestre Graaten. His parents were: Hans Johansson Reinholt (1803-1879) and Anne Marie Adamsdtr.(ca.1802-1879). They had 6 children. Anne Marie Adamsdtr. was from Kongsberg, Buskerud. Source: Flesbergboka, Bind VII, pg.46 (Sigurd Vinger, 2004). Hans Johansson was from Reinholt. His parents were: Johan Abrahamson Tangene ( ? -1820) and Johanne Maria Hansdtr. Graaten (1773-1850). They had 3 children. Johan Abrahamson was from Jondalen, Buskerud. Source: Flesbergboka, Bind VII, pg.31 (Sigurd Vinger, 2004). Johanne Maria was from Vestre Graaten. Her parents were: Hans Olson Graaten (1726-1781) and Else Eriksdtr. Rolvson (ca.1751-1803). Johanne Maria was thir only child. Else Eriksdtr. Rolvson was fom Kongsberg, Buskerud. Source: Flesbergboka, Bind VII, pg.45-46 (Sigurd Vinger, 2004). Hans Olson was from Søre Graaten. His parent were: Ola Olson Graaten ( ? -1744) and Ingebjørg Herbrandsdtr. Bergseid. (ca.1694-1761). They had 10 children. Ola Olsons father was Ola Tordson Kodalen from Eggedal, Buskerud. Ingebjørg Herbrandsdtr. was from Rollag, Buskerud. Source: Flesbergboka, Bind VI, pg.598-599 (Sigurd Vinger, 2001).

And you reposted the whole freakin email.....

I am trying to help a friend with this family... the information they have is as follows: Johan Hansen Graaten who was born about 1827 and is found in Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway... married Maren Turinne Sorensdatter Any know about this family? Is there a bygdebok that would include this farm? Thanks so much. Pat Holling

Man I hope you don't believe this stuff. Any way it won't matter the world is coming to and end at 1700 on 8/16/05 so make merry while you can. Or in case this event does not come off the black helicopters will be ready to take over at 1701. Scary what. EdO

Hvem var denne karen og hvor kom han fra i Sverige? Er det muligheter til aa finne det ut? Han var skomaker i Oslo/Kristiania i 1900 : http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=3512&personpostnr=86107&merk=86107#ovre I 1902 ble han far til en datter og det er hennes etterkommere jeg pröver aa hjelpe. -- Kelly

"RH" <hartemink@tip.nl> wrote in message news:91seo01mplas169vo16ughd3bm6kkfe38m@4ax.com... > Interesting CD for sale : > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6934526635 (or > through http://stores.ebay.nl/heraldryshop) > > CD containing the information of the Coffee Hag albums from the 1930s > for Sweden, Norway and Denmark: coffee hag eh? sounds like a good name for a band.

Here they are in 1865. Berit Gullbekk http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60101&gardpostnr=413&personpostnr=6278&merk=6278#ovre "Knut Bryn" <nospam.knbryn@online.no> skrev i melding news:Fk1id.5202$Km6.138041@news4.e.nsc.no... > Anne Ohlgren wrote: > >> Hello, I am researching my husband's ancestors from Norway. >> The name seems to have been spelled several different ways. >> OHLGREN, OHLGREEN,OLGREEN,OLGREN >> So far I have >> LORENTZ ANDREAS OLGREEN B. 1814 Fredrikshald maried to CAROLINE OLSDATTER >> b.1823 in Aremark > > This surname is of Swedish origin. Fredrikshald (today: Halden) is located > in Norway, but is quite close to the Swedish border. There was an army > base in Fredrikshald in 1814. Perhaps Lorentz Olgren was a military? I > should add that an Olgren search on the net shows up with an artillerist > with this name who died in Gothenburg 1809. There is some information of > him in "Släktforskarnas årsbok 2002" published by Sveriges > Släktforskarförbund. > > Knut Bryn, Molde

This is what I know can anyone give me a direction, is is as far I anyone in the family has gone. Sophie (Peters) Koster (Opa's mother) was daughter of Peter Von Zobel Peter Von Zobel was a land baron in Holland (Approx 1780) Peter Von Zobel was father of my great grandmother Peter Von Zobel born in Holland - had only one son and one daughter. Opa's father born in Mecklenburg, year 28 January 1787. Von Zobel fled from Holland, with the two brother during one of their civil wars, to Mecklenburg and left behind their land holdings and estates (in Holland) and then changed their name to Peters because they did not want to attract attention by continuing to be a Von Zobel or a land-baron - but instead they wanted to (Start anew) by being one of the plain people. The Holland Government put a notice in the German newspapers sometime after that war (approx 1790) that persons should put in their claim for their land and property left in Holland (in cases where the former & present or last known owners could not be located) There upon the Peters sent one of their man servants to Holland with the proper papers for clams to be presented instead of going themselves; but, nothing was ever heard of that again and neither of those papers. Sophie (Opa's mother) had separate papers for their claim. She had only one brother and in 1868 or 69 her brother came to her and asked her if she & he should take up the claim again, to which she replied that they had plenty of money for themselves and that they should not spend more money on it. Sophie (Opa's mother) married Carl Ludwig Koster year unknown, they had six boys and one daughter: last two (boys) were twins Opa & Carl - Others were Fritz, Albert, Emil, Joseph (died young), Joseph II, Mathilde, then the twins, with the twins being the youngest. Bruce