Pup's are not necessarily a virus or a trojan,or even malware.. The term was invented by McCafee to describe programs they didn't want to risk calling malware or AV due to litigation and possible libel suits. There are a number of things that will give you a pup warning, but from my experience most are benign and usually involve a feature in a program the user has installed that allows the exchange of data . Try going into Avast and and see if there is a spot to allow it to run. A prefered list or allow to run list .I think to many are jumping on this dump MSE thing. I'll wait till a couple of other sources confirm or expand on what has been reported,,To date MSE has been quick to respond to any problems, and knowing how many companies are quick to jump on even very small windows OS problems I view these reports with a skeptic eye. I also work on more systems in one week then most here will in their lifetime and so far have found nary a problem with MSE, and I have yet to find a better solution for AV protection that integrates as seamlessly with the MS OS nor have the number conflicts with other programs, Lastly part of the detailed report was critical of MSE not reporting some pups, and a weaker response to trojan behavior, MSE is not a primarily Trojan detection program and it was being compared to All-In One suites which included tojan protection.MSE is not alone in that. Even the much heralded MalWare Bytes ignores a lot of pups especially if the root program has up to date certification. If you are paranoid and want nothing to do with pups SuperAntiSpyware does a good job without a lot of problems. I don't recommend deleting JAVA,, you may have some perfectly normal programs that you use that use JAVA when you are offline, just turn off JAVA in the web browser, If you use IE as your browser go to Control panel and you should see a icon for the JAVA program, open it and select the security tab, take the check mark out of the box that says enable java in your browser. In win 7 you need to select the icon view if when you click on the control panel it says category view, from there it is the same as I stated before. Just my thoughts on way too many jumping the gun. Cheers George & the 6pack -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Champion Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GN] JAVA I've also deleted Java from my computer programs. I'm currently running Avast! in place of MSE and I'm glad that I did. On the first run it found that my FTM2012 program exe. was infected with a PUP virus. I've been having problems with the program so I guess that explains it! So now I'm going to check my external drive to see if any of those files are infected. Then I guess I'll have to reinstall FTM and scan before I try it out. I have to blame this infection on MSE as I am very careful and run malware, spyware and antivirus programs every day. MSE should have caught this. It makes me sad that there are people out there who "enjoy" making all this extra work for computer users. Cathy Champion Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis) Make yourself familiar with the angels and behold them frequently in spirit; for without being seen, they are present with you. - St. Francis De Sales ________________________________ From: ETM <[email protected]> To: Lists <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: Genealogy-Computers-Chat <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, January 24, 2013 4:11:32 AM Subject: [GN] JAVA I plan to follow the instructions at https://windowssecrets.com/newsletter/security-alert-remove-java-from-your-browsers/ Elaine ******************** Gen-Newbie's website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~newbie/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ******************** Gen-Newbie's website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~newbie/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message