I rely on Family Tree Maker to figure those out for me. It gets interesting. FTM says some on the index are their own cousin, uncle, etc, but at least not their own grampa -- so far. "I'm My Own Grampa": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw Woody ================== st8aro@yahoo.com writes: My Brother-in-law has a son from his wife's first marriage, the Son has a child. What relationship is the Child to me (or my wife)? No formal adoption papers were ever started. To complicate this whole thing - - - Son of wife's 1st marriage has 2 children, each child has a different mother. My F-I-L states they are "His left handed Grandchildren' Anyone with a better name for this relationship? John ********************