On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 12:10:21 PM UTC-3, Peter Stewart wrote: > On 15/06/2017 2:16 PM, J.L. Fernandez Blanco wrote: > >> I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by dredging yup an old > >> thread, since the link you have provided is to a page of Christian > >> Raffersperger's book that is not viewable to most readers. > >> > >> Anyone wanting to find out what the author thinks about the mother of > >> Vladimir Monomakh can start here: > >> > >> http://genealogy.obdurodon.org/findPerson.php?person=monomakhina > >> > >> Peter Stewart > > Thanks for the link, Peter. At a quick glance, it looks like is quite well researched. Needless to say, I haven't had any time to go in deep with it...other projects are holding me back but this is one area (among so many others...) I just happen to really love. > > The usual caution applies - for instance, on the page for Vladimir > Monomakh himself > (http://genealogy.obdurodon.org/findPerson.php?person=vladimir3) he is > shown as marrying his second wife in 1108. She was the mother of Yuri > Dolgoruki, who is shown on his own page > (http://genealogy.obdurodon.org/findPerson.php?person=iurii) as marrying > for the first time in 1107. A pre-natal prodigy... > > If you follow the link to Vladimir's first wife, Harold Godwinson's > daughter Gyda > (http://genealogy.obdurodon.org/findPerson.php?person=gyda), you can > find where this problem arises - she is mistakenly identified as the > wife who, according to the primary chronicle, died on 7 May 1107. > However, we know that this was actually the second wife, Yuri's mother - > Vladimir's "pouchenie" (instruction), evidently written shortly before > he died in 1125 and inserted in the chronicle under 1096, tells us that > Yuri's mother died after Easter in 1107, before he took a Polovstian > girl as wife for Yuri after the following Christmas (in the chronicle on > 12 January 1107 March style, 1108 new style). > > We know from the necrology of St Pantaleon abbey at Cologne that Gyda > died on a 10 March, that was before any possible date for Easter. The > year of her death is unknown - it may have been after 1107, if she was > repudiated as Vladimir Kuchkin plausibly suggested in 1999. > > Peter Stewart Thanks for the caveat and information. I only saved the link for perusing later...who knows when! Cheers!