On 14/06/2017 8:34 AM, Peter Stewart wrote: > > On 14/06/2017 12:04 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> 2011 m. vasaris 24 d., ketvirtadienis 00:04:06 UTC+2, wjhonson rašė: >>> In a message dated 2/23/2011 1:49:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> >>>> consider, without regard to a word "Princess" or "kinswoman", that >>>> this woman, which is not referred to in any "contemporary" Russian >>>> chronicle >>>> at all, was a daughter of the Emperor. >>>> >>> Just to point this nail a little more. The Primary Chronicle was >>> first put >>> together, in some fashion, about 70 years after this arranged >>> marriage is >>> supposed to have taken place. We do not have that version, we have >>> a few >>> version many *centuries* later, which have been edited. We cannot >>> tell how >>> much or how they've been edited. >>> >>> To my mind, that's not a contemporary document at all. Not even the >>> first >>> version. >> https://books.google.lt/books?id=1BXlXAkBKs0C&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=Anastasia+is+believed+to+be+related+to+the+family+of+the+Byzantine+Emperor+Constantine+IX&source=bl&ots=r45YHieivT&sig=kLTuYdng0ezGU2CSsDBATLO1D60&hl=lt&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH0Y73-brUAhXnYpoKHQa1D9oQ6AEITjAH#v=onepage&q=Anastasia%20is%20believed%20to%20be%20related%20to%20the%20family%20of%20the%20Byzantine%20Emperor%20Constantine%20IX&f=false >> >> > > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by dredging yup an old > thread, since the link you have provided is to a page of Christian > Raffersperger's book that is not viewable to most readers. > > Anyone wanting to find out what the author thinks about the mother of > Vladimir Monomakh can start here: > > http://genealogy.obdurodon.org/findPerson.php?person=monomakhina Anyone wanting to see the entry identifying Vladimir's mother as a Greek imperial daughter (o[t] tsaritse gr'kyne) under AD 1053 (AM 6561) in the Laurentian manuscript of the Russian primary chronicle (St Petersburg, National Library of Russia, F.p.IV.2, fol. 54v) can view it here (line 13 in the left column): http://expositions.nlr.ru/LaurentianCodex/_Data/Images/sm/i_114.jpg The corresponding annal in the standard PSRL edition can be viewed here (column 160, last entry): http://www.lrc-lib.ru/rus_letopisi/Laurence/gif_mm.php?file=159-160.gif Peter Stewart