On 09/06/2017 19:11, Jan Wolfe wrote: > >> There are two men, John Lylleston and John Shelton, of Middlesex, listed at the bottom right of the document. What is the roll of these two men in the case? A John Lylleston is named to collect aid in Middlesex for the marriage of Blanche in 1401 in the fine rolls of Henry IV: >> http://scans.library.utoronto.ca/pdf/1/16/calendaroffiner12greauoft/calendaroffiner12greauoft.pdf#page=162 > A John Lylleston of Middlesex is mentioned in the close rolls in 1393: > Sept. 20. Westminster. To the sheriff of Cantebrigge. Writ of supersedeas, and order by mainprise of John Lylleston of Middlesex, John Wilteshire of Cambridgeshire, Robert Goderiche of London and Thomas Blakehay of Devon to set free William Bertilmewe of Cantebrigge, if taken at suit of the king and John Penteney for leaving John Penteney's service before the term agreed. > > A John Lylleston died in London before 1 July 1397, see https://www.british-history.ac.uk/plea-memoranda-rolls/vol3/pp248-259 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The two names at the bottom of the suit are often the names of the pledges on behalf of the plaintiff to sue the case. Although any male adult could mainpern, it was a very common and popular way for Chancery clerks and other King's Clerks to supplement their incomes, so often the first name is of a King's clerk, and given that the mainpernors were all of different counties, and not one was from the home county of the prisoner, it would appear, on the face of it, that they were all probably king's clerks (but not Chancery clerks). John Cliderhowe (Clitherhowe, Clitherow) was a Chancery clerk, active from around 1373 until 1418 when he disappears from the Chancery rolls. If the John Lylleston who died before 1 Jul 1397 is the same as one of the pledges in the Chancery suit, then that constrains the date quite a lot (21 years at least). Thanks for the interest :) Colin (Wibs)