On 2/06/2017 5:56 AM, Doug Thompson wrote: > I know this is adding another possible layer of confusion but - > > What if, during Wm de Braose's custody of Elmley he married Berta to the heir. That would have been William, Walter's older brother who died in 1211. The Tebury jurors may then have had a correct descent of the land from William to Walter etc. but, since it was before their own lifetimes, made an assumption that the William was Walter's father rather than his brother! > > Since this is the only evidence for a Braose Beachamp marriage at all, the small error may have caused us all this confusion. It would seem to fit the time scales better than a marriage to the father, who seems to have had a wife called Amice according to many. The younger William de Beauchamp (brother of Walter) is said to have married Jeanne de Saint-Valery and to have died at around 20 years of age. Can you let us know if you think this is incorrect, and what the evidence is? Peter Stewart