On Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:49:03 UTC+1, Ken Rolston wrote: > Back in March 2014 we were discussing in this forum the rather intricate complexities of the Rowlstons of Tanshelf branch in Yorkshire and their marriages with Copleys and Bosviles and Cressy, etc. Following Terry Booth's excellent proposal of 3 x Edward Rowlstons in succession for the family at Cridling Stubbs in Womersley parish, I posted a lot of detail in "Rolston of Tanshelf in Pontefract, Part 1" and more about the connections to Goodrickes at their moiety of Nether Toynton in Lincolnshire, in "Rolston of Tanshelf in Pontefract, Part 2". We discussed our interpretations of the Rowlston marriage to Anne Goodricke, by which Nether Toynton first came to the Rowlstons. > > Since then I have been concentrating on refining the details and have hopefully resolved many of the questions that concerned us at that time. I agree now with Terry that Edward Rowlston who married Anne Goodricke was not of the Watnall branch, but was son of Edward (I) Rowlston and Mabel Anne at Cridling Stubbs. > There was also discussion about Edward Rowlston of Nether Toynton who received all of the Watnall estates by bequest from Lancelot Rolleston of Watnall in 1685, through whom the Toynton and Watnall branches combined. The identity of that Edward of Toynton was questionable, Burke, following errors in Visitations, defined him as son of Philip Rolleston of Watnall and Frances Pierrepont. I have now proved that to be wrong. I have identified a number of errors in the family's previous pedigrees and have pinned down the identity of Edward of Toynton. I have tentatively integrated Vance Meade's data from the Close Rolls about John & Isabell Roulston at Pontefract who might provide the connection between Swarkeston manor and Tanshelf around 1483. > As I feared at the time, this has radically changed the generally accepted lineage of the Rollestons at Watnall, of whom the post-1687 family have a different ancestry to those at Watnall pre-1685. > I have to confess that much of the interpretation about individuals and family lineages in the Part 2 post of March 2014 is superseded and I strongly recommend that conclusions derived from that post should be scrapped. > > I have written all of this into a research paper that I would like to present to any on this forum who may be interested to follow through with the story. The paper runs to 59 pages including 6 pedigree charts and cannot be posted here. I have placed it into DropBox and provide the link here for anyone to access it to view or download. The paper is titled: "The Rollestons of Toynton and Watnall, a Re-Evaluation - 2nd Draft". It remains in draft form until I have found supporting data for the Swarkeston-Tanshelf connection and for the proof of identity of Thomas Rowlston who received the conveyance of Nether Toynton from Anne Goodricke in 1606 and thus became ancestral to Rollestons of Toynton and Watnall. The charts define the revised lineage from around 1370 when Rollestons branched off to Swarkeston and from there to Tanshelf, then onward to Nether Toynton and finally Watnall. As this is still a draft, there are likely to be further changes in future as I gather more detail, and some of the charts will be revised, but I believe I am now much closer to a correct definition of these family lines. > > In 7 chapters, the paper discusses: > History of Nether Toynton and how it came to the Rollestons. > Rolleston of Watnall Chaworth, the direct family line. > Rolleston of Swarkeston manor in Derbs. > Rowlston of Tanshelf in Pontefract, Yorks. > The transfer of Nether Toynton manor to Thomas Rowlston. > Rowlston of Toynton, inheritors of Watnall and progenitors of the post-1687 Watnall branch. > Conclusions regarding the re-evaluated Watnall branch. > There is also an Appendix providing a summary description of each of the 11 x Thomas, 10 x Edward and 6 x Lancelot that come into the story. > > Please note that this paper is only about the Rolstons of Tanshelf descended from Lyonell (II), mercer of Pontefract, and is not concerned with the other Rolstons descended from his father Lyonell (I) who were involved with Copleys, Cressys, etc. That substantial other half of the Tanshelf branch will be discussed in a future research paper. > > Here is the link to the pdf file in DropBox: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgs41be16c5wc37/Toynton%20%26%20Watnall%20re-evaluation.pdf?dl=0 > > Happy reading..... > Ken Rolston. Yes, I have a note of that marriage settlement, ref DD/1355/65, to be viewed and copied. There are quite a number of Rolleston of Watnall documents at Notts Archives, many of which I have investigated. During this past week I have been in the Midlands, at Lincoln and Leicester, met up with and greatly enjoyed the company of Steve Riggan and Matt Tompkins. At Lincs Archives I found the will of Henry Sapcote 1553. The reference under "Various Wills" was unknown to the archivist but he found it after a lengthy search. It is quite a long will and I expect shall take quite some time to transcribe. I shall post it to sgm in response to your earlier query, but give me time to work on it. The same volume had the will of Edward Sapcote 1578, Henry's eldest son and George Chippingdale 1579, Alice's brother. At Lincoln castle I was fortunate to view the Domesday Book, on loan there until September, also Lincoln's original of Magna Carta and the Charter of the Forest. In Lincoln cathedral I was surprised to find the beautiful tomb and effigy of Eleanor of Castile, wife of Edward I, her effigy carved in black stone. At Leicester, the 3 of us saw the excellent exhibition of the discovery and recovery of the remains of Richard III and in the cathedral his marvellous tomb of fossiliferous limestone. These are all very much worth visiting for any sgm readers who may get the opportunity, highly recommended. Ken.
Yes, it was a great time, Ken and Matt. I have to say this news group has brought some great people into my life and on coming to England I was very happy to meet Ken Rolston and Matt Tompkins personally and spend a good part of the day last week in Leicester with both of them. I also got to spend time with Ken at Horncastle and Scrivelsby viewing the terms of my Dymoke ancestors and meeting Gail Dymoke herself, the wife of the current Queen's Champion. I also had the great opportunity today to visit Westminster Abbey and to see the tombs of the Plantagenet kings who are ancestral it to a good majority of us in this news group. It makes me very grateful for the hard work you all do and the submissions that you make to this group. I have learned a lot and coming to England has brought it all around full circle!! Steve Riggan Sent from my iPhone >> On Jun 5, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Ken Rolston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:49:03 UTC+1, Ken Rolston wrote: >> Back in March 2014 we were discussing in this forum the rather intricate complexities of the Rowlstons of Tanshelf branch in Yorkshire and their marriages with Copleys and Bosviles and Cressy, etc. Following Terry Booth's excellent proposal of 3 x Edward Rowlstons in succession for the family at Cridling Stubbs in Womersley parish, I posted a lot of detail in "Rolston of Tanshelf in Pontefract, Part 1" and more about the connections to Goodrickes at their moiety of Nether Toynton in Lincolnshire, in "Rolston of Tanshelf in Pontefract, Part 2". We discussed our interpretations of the Rowlston marriage to Anne Goodricke, by which Nether Toynton first came to the Rowlstons. >> >> Since then I have been concentrating on refining the details and have hopefully resolved many of the questions that concerned us at that time. I agree now with Terry that Edward Rowlston who married Anne Goodricke was not of the Watnall branch, but was son of Edward (I) Rowlston and Mabel Anne at Cridling Stubbs. >> There was also discussion about Edward Rowlston of Nether Toynton who received all of the Watnall estates by bequest from Lancelot Rolleston of Watnall in 1685, through whom the Toynton and Watnall branches combined. The identity of that Edward of Toynton was questionable, Burke, following errors in Visitations, defined him as son of Philip Rolleston of Watnall and Frances Pierrepont. I have now proved that to be wrong. I have identified a number of errors in the family's previous pedigrees and have pinned down the identity of Edward of Toynton. I have tentatively integrated Vance Meade's data from the Close Rolls about John & Isabell Roulston at Pontefract who might provide the connection between Swarkeston manor and Tanshelf around 1483. >> As I feared at the time, this has radically changed the generally accepted lineage of the Rollestons at Watnall, of whom the post-1687 family have a different ancestry to those at Watnall pre-1685. >> I have to confess that much of the interpretation about individuals and family lineages in the Part 2 post of March 2014 is superseded and I strongly recommend that conclusions derived from that post should be scrapped. >> >> I have written all of this into a research paper that I would like to present to any on this forum who may be interested to follow through with the story. The paper runs to 59 pages including 6 pedigree charts and cannot be posted here. I have placed it into DropBox and provide the link here for anyone to access it to view or download. The paper is titled: "The Rollestons of Toynton and Watnall, a Re-Evaluation - 2nd Draft". It remains in draft form until I have found supporting data for the Swarkeston-Tanshelf connection and for the proof of identity of Thomas Rowlston who received the conveyance of Nether Toynton from Anne Goodricke in 1606 and thus became ancestral to Rollestons of Toynton and Watnall. The charts define the revised lineage from around 1370 when Rollestons branched off to Swarkeston and from there to Tanshelf, then onward to Nether Toynton and finally Watnall. As this is still a draft, there are likely to be further changes in future as I gathe! r more detail, and some of the charts will be revised, but I believe I am now much closer to a correct definition of these family lines. >> >> In 7 chapters, the paper discusses: >> History of Nether Toynton and how it came to the Rollestons. >> Rolleston of Watnall Chaworth, the direct family line. >> Rolleston of Swarkeston manor in Derbs. >> Rowlston of Tanshelf in Pontefract, Yorks. >> The transfer of Nether Toynton manor to Thomas Rowlston. >> Rowlston of Toynton, inheritors of Watnall and progenitors of the post-1687 Watnall branch. >> Conclusions regarding the re-evaluated Watnall branch. >> There is also an Appendix providing a summary description of each of the 11 x Thomas, 10 x Edward and 6 x Lancelot that come into the story. >> >> Please note that this paper is only about the Rolstons of Tanshelf descended from Lyonell (II), mercer of Pontefract, and is not concerned with the other Rolstons descended from his father Lyonell (I) who were involved with Copleys, Cressys, etc. That substantial other half of the Tanshelf branch will be discussed in a future research paper. >> >> Here is the link to the pdf file in DropBox: >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgs41be16c5wc37/Toynton%20%26%20Watnall%20re-evaluation.pdf?dl=0 >> >> Happy reading..... >> Ken Rolston. > > Yes, I have a note of that marriage settlement, ref DD/1355/65, to be viewed and copied. > There are quite a number of Rolleston of Watnall documents at Notts Archives, many of which I have investigated. > > During this past week I have been in the Midlands, at Lincoln and Leicester, met up with and greatly enjoyed the company of Steve Riggan and Matt Tompkins. > > At Lincs Archives I found the will of Henry Sapcote 1553. The reference under "Various Wills" was unknown to the archivist but he found it after a lengthy search. It is quite a long will and I expect shall take quite some time to transcribe. I shall post it to sgm in response to your earlier query, but give me time to work on it. > The same volume had the will of Edward Sapcote 1578, Henry's eldest son and George Chippingdale 1579, Alice's brother. > > At Lincoln castle I was fortunate to view the Domesday Book, on loan there until September, also Lincoln's original of Magna Carta and the Charter of the Forest. In Lincoln cathedral I was surprised to find the beautiful tomb and effigy of Eleanor of Castile, wife of Edward I, her effigy carved in black stone. > > At Leicester, the 3 of us saw the excellent exhibition of the discovery and recovery of the remains of Richard III and in the cathedral his marvellous tomb of fossiliferous limestone. These are all very much worth visiting for any sgm readers who may get the opportunity, highly recommended. > > Ken. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message