On 9/06/2017 11:56 AM, Jan Wolfe wrote: > According to the Latin Assistant dictionary, avus means forefather or ancestor in addition to grandfather. Was it sometimes used in this broader sense in this era? > > Chris Phillips quoted the text of the 1305 inquisition that Emma Mason sites as evidence that Berta Braose married William (I) de Beauchamp (_Cal. of Inq. Misc._, i, no. 1971). See > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2002-09/1033304740 > > The part with the conflicting evidence about who Berta married is this: > > William de Breouse, long since deceased, who once held the manor of > Tettebury together with the said rent and other tenements belonging to the > said manor of the king in chief by service of a knight's fee, gave the said > rent a hundred and sixty years and more past to William de Bello Campo, > great grandfather of the said earl, and Berta, daughter of the said William > de Brewose, in free marriage. > > "A hundred and sixty years and more past" would be 1145 or earlier. That would be consistent with a marriage of Berta to William (I) de Beauchamp. "Great-grandfather of the said earl" would be consistent with a marriage to William (II) de Beauchamp. > > Emma Mason concluded that the error was in the "great-grandfather" statement, not in the "160 years and more past" statement. As I understand it the Sele priory fine cited by Doug Thompson blows this out of the water, since Reynold de Braiose in 1227 evidently thought that Berta (whichever Beauchamp she married) was a sister of Hugh de Mortimer's wife Annora who was living in 1241. Peter Stewart