On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 1:23:19 PM UTC-7, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > Joe, > > In "Notices and remains of the family of Tyrwhitt..." by Robert Philip Tyrwhitt there is proof offered that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Triwhit. Monuments in Barnetby Church are described relating to them. > > See pages 12-13 in the text and footnote 4. > > https://books.google.ca/books?id=UGYBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=kelke+tyrwhitt&source=bl&ots=-WSvNRZdeq&sig=TAHqbs0XAbGTtzOgFS4zDK8phf4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=kelke%20tyrwhitt&f=false > > > Jordan. > > > > On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:09:00 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > > According to the pedigrees in Lincolnshire there seem to be a number of known Roger Kelkes, and no doubt a few unknown ones. Even more so for William It will be.difficult with the current Information to even try to form a sketch of a tree that is anything more than really rough guesses. > > > > Are we even certain that Roger Tirwhit's father in law was indeed need Roger? Actually this source states that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Tyrwhit, but it doesn't provide proof of that statement. Footnote 4 mentioned above states that "Monuments of the Kelkes, of as late a date as 1655, remain in Barnetby Church", but there's no mention of a Roger specifically. Aside from this source and the reference to "Sir Roger Kelke of Kelke, Yorkshire" in the Tyrwhit pedigree in "Lincolnshire Pedigrees", is there any evidence that this Roger (if he existed) was actually a knight? And is there a place in Yorkshire called Kelke? I can't readily find one. Perhaps the Tyrwhit pedigree, which seems to be the source for subsequent mentions of this relationship, should have said that Alice was "sister of Roger" rather than "daughter of Sir Roger".

John, Thanks for your insight. I cannot find reference to Roger Kelke as a knight. the Tirwhit and Kelke families seem to have a close relationship given the number of times they appear together in records both in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. There seems to be manors of Great Kelk and Little Kelk found in Yorkshire. If search Kelke in the Discovery archives a number of results referring to it will show up. Jordan. On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 7:08:57 PM UTC-4, John Higgins wrote: > On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 1:23:19 PM UTC-7, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > > Joe, > > > > In "Notices and remains of the family of Tyrwhitt..." by Robert Philip Tyrwhitt there is proof offered that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Triwhit. Monuments in Barnetby Church are described relating to them. > > > > See pages 12-13 in the text and footnote 4. > > > > https://books.google.ca/books?id=UGYBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=kelke+tyrwhitt&source=bl&ots=-WSvNRZdeq&sig=TAHqbs0XAbGTtzOgFS4zDK8phf4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=kelke%20tyrwhitt&f=false > > > > > > Jordan. > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:09:00 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > > > According to the pedigrees in Lincolnshire there seem to be a number of known Roger Kelkes, and no doubt a few unknown ones. Even more so for William It will be.difficult with the current Information to even try to form a sketch of a tree that is anything more than really rough guesses. > > > > > > Are we even certain that Roger Tirwhit's father in law was indeed need Roger? > > Actually this source states that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Tyrwhit, but it doesn't provide proof of that statement. Footnote 4 mentioned above states that "Monuments of the Kelkes, of as late a date as 1655, remain in Barnetby Church", but there's no mention of a Roger specifically. > > Aside from this source and the reference to "Sir Roger Kelke of Kelke, Yorkshire" in the Tyrwhit pedigree in "Lincolnshire Pedigrees", is there any evidence that this Roger (if he existed) was actually a knight? And is there a place in Yorkshire called Kelke? I can't readily find one. > > Perhaps the Tyrwhit pedigree, which seems to be the source for subsequent mentions of this relationship, should have said that Alice was "sister of Roger" rather than "daughter of Sir Roger".

I've never found any of the Kelke family to have been knights. A Roger Kelke of this period was fined scutage for failure to become one. I imagine if your land holdings just qualified you for any part of a knights fee it would be quite a burden financially. The family were originally of Great Kelk in the East Riding where the earliest holder I can find was one John de Beverley, steward to Robert de Ros. He had a son Reynold and a daughter Agnes de Kel, his heir. The family moved across into Lincolnshire to Barnetby-le-Wold about the time of the marriage of William de Kelke to the daughter of Ralph Welwick. On 11/06/17 08:38 am, John Higgins wrote: > On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 1:23:19 PM UTC-7, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: >> Joe, >> >> In "Notices and remains of the family of Tyrwhitt..." by Robert Philip Tyrwhitt there is proof offered that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Triwhit. Monuments in Barnetby Church are described relating to them. >> >> See pages 12-13 in the text and footnote 4. >> >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=UGYBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=kelke+tyrwhitt&source=bl&ots=-WSvNRZdeq&sig=TAHqbs0XAbGTtzOgFS4zDK8phf4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=kelke%20tyrwhitt&f=false >> >> >> Jordan. >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:09:00 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>> According to the pedigrees in Lincolnshire there seem to be a number of known Roger Kelkes, and no doubt a few unknown ones. Even more so for William It will be.difficult with the current Information to even try to form a sketch of a tree that is anything more than really rough guesses. >>> >>> Are we even certain that Roger Tirwhit's father in law was indeed need Roger? > Actually this source states that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Tyrwhit, but it doesn't provide proof of that statement. Footnote 4 mentioned above states that "Monuments of the Kelkes, of as late a date as 1655, remain in Barnetby Church", but there's no mention of a Roger specifically. > > Aside from this source and the reference to "Sir Roger Kelke of Kelke, Yorkshire" in the Tyrwhit pedigree in "Lincolnshire Pedigrees", is there any evidence that this Roger (if he existed) was actually a knight? And is there a place in Yorkshire called Kelke? I can't readily find one. > > Perhaps the Tyrwhit pedigree, which seems to be the source for subsequent mentions of this relationship, should have said that Alice was "sister of Roger" rather than "daughter of Sir Roger". > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My apologies, that should have been Agnes de Kelk not Agnes de Kel. Guy Vincent On 11/06/17 09:37 am, Guy Vincent wrote: > I've never found any of the Kelke family to have been knights. A Roger > Kelke of this period was fined scutage for failure to become one. I > imagine if your land holdings just qualified you for any part of a > knights fee it would be quite a burden financially. The family were > originally of Great Kelk in the East Riding where the earliest holder > I can find was one John de Beverley, steward to Robert de Ros. He had > a son Reynold and a daughter Agnes de Kel, his heir. The family moved > across into Lincolnshire to Barnetby-le-Wold about the time of the > marriage of William de Kelke to the daughter of Ralph Welwick. > > On 11/06/17 08:38 am, John Higgins wrote: >> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 1:23:19 PM UTC-7, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> In "Notices and remains of the family of Tyrwhitt..." by Robert >>> Philip Tyrwhitt there is proof offered that Roger Kelke was the >>> father of Alice Kelke who married Robert Triwhit. Monuments in >>> Barnetby Church are described relating to them. >>> >>> See pages 12-13 in the text and footnote 4. >>> >>> https://books.google.ca/books?id=UGYBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=kelke+tyrwhitt&source=bl&ots=-WSvNRZdeq&sig=TAHqbs0XAbGTtzOgFS4zDK8phf4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=kelke%20tyrwhitt&f=false >>> >>> >>> >>> Jordan. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:09:00 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>>> According to the pedigrees in Lincolnshire there seem to be a >>>> number of known Roger Kelkes, and no doubt a few unknown ones. Even >>>> more so for William It will be.difficult with the current >>>> Information to even try to form a sketch of a tree that is anything >>>> more than really rough guesses. >>>> >>>> Are we even certain that Roger Tirwhit's father in law was indeed >>>> need Roger? >> Actually this source states that Roger Kelke was the father of Alice >> Kelke who married Robert Tyrwhit, but it doesn't provide proof of >> that statement. Footnote 4 mentioned above states that "Monuments of >> the Kelkes, of as late a date as 1655, remain in Barnetby Church", >> but there's no mention of a Roger specifically. >> >> Aside from this source and the reference to "Sir Roger Kelke of >> Kelke, Yorkshire" in the Tyrwhit pedigree in "Lincolnshire >> Pedigrees", is there any evidence that this Roger (if he existed) was >> actually a knight? And is there a place in Yorkshire called Kelke? >> I can't readily find one. >> >> Perhaps the Tyrwhit pedigree, which seems to be the source for >> subsequent mentions of this relationship, should have said that >> Alice was "sister of Roger" rather than "daughter of Sir Roger". >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message