On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:36:20 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote: > Like I said, relying on Y matches *with* a "strong paper trail" is the > quest of fools and old sponges. > > If you have not used Autosomal DNA to even show that you are related to > your own "relatives", than you need to start from scratch. Given that a "strong paper trail" *without* Y confirmation has to be worse than a paper trail *with* Y confirmation, I have to congratulate you. You have now succeeded in insulting everyone who has ever done medieval genealogy, which it is utterly impossible to verify using your supposed paragon of genealogical confirmation, autosomal DNA analysis. They (we, and you) are all fools and sponges. Well done. taf