On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 11:29:46 AM UTC-7, taf wrote: > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:36:20 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote: > > Like I said, relying on Y matches *with* a "strong paper trail" is the > > quest of fools and old sponges. > > > > If you have not used Autosomal DNA to even show that you are related to > > your own "relatives", than you need to start from scratch. > > Given that a "strong paper trail" *without* Y confirmation has to be worse than a paper trail *with* Y confirmation, I have to congratulate you. You have now succeeded in insulting everyone who has ever done medieval genealogy, which it is utterly impossible to verify using your supposed paragon of genealogical confirmation, autosomal DNA analysis. They (we, and you) are all fools and sponges. Well done. > > taf Ta Dah! Well actually you are not correct that medieval ancestry is impossible to verify using Autosomal DNA. But leaving that aside for the moment, I am only insulting those people who are claiming to show some ancestry Y-DNA for the Smith family, or the Jones family, when they haven't even done the Autosomal DNA to show that a bastard didn't creep into the line in the past six generations. There are plenty of people who do medieval genealogy who couldn't care less what the Y-DNA tests do or don't show.