On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 11:39:27 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote: > Well actually you are not correct that medieval ancestry is impossible to > verify using Autosomal DNA. Yes, it is impossible as has been explained here multiple times. > But leaving that aside for the moment, I am only insulting those people who > are claiming to show some ancestry Y-DNA for the Smith family, or the Jones > family, when they haven't even done the Autosomal DNA to show that a bastard > didn't creep into the line in the past six generations You are arguing that any recent generations are completely worthless without an autosomal test. Guess what the implications are for older generations, where no autosomal test is possible - nothing short of genealogical nihilism. > There are plenty of people who do medieval genealogy who couldn't care less > what the Y-DNA tests do or don't show. In most cases, medieval genealogy cannot be confirmed with a Y test either - We are left with the paper trail, as imperfect as it is. taf