On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 12:09:17 PM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Em domingo, 27 de agosto de 2017 19:40:35 UTC+1, taf escreveu: > > On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 9:41:38 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: > > > From "Y DNA of the British Monarchy" an interesting scholarly research paper published in 2013: > > > > Just to make sure this is clear, this is NOT a scholarly journal, as that term is usually understood. It is a curated web1 site - real journals name their publisher, have formal contact information, and a list of named and theireditors (and yes, that will be plural). Plus this 'research paper' is written by the journal's 'editor'.. > > > > > > > >>The Plantagenets are a bit more difficult to predict as some speculate > > > >>that they are related to the Carpetian (sic) kings of France and descended > > > >>from Roman citizens in the haplogroup J2 or G2. However, early sources > > > >>attribute them as Germanic Franks13 and thus more likely to be another > > > >>branch of R1b-U106. > > > > For what its worth, ref 13 here is the Henry Project. However, the conclusion that they are more likely to be R1b-U106 is both excessively specific, and completely unsupportable. > > > > > > > We now know of course that Poor Richard's Y-DNA was actually G2. This > > > article associates this type with Roman citizens. > > > > > But why Roman Y? > > > > Completely arbitrary. > > > > > Surely central Italy is hardly a bastion of this type. > > > > If we have learned anything over the previous decade, it has been that > > modern distributions are a poor indication of historic ones. > > > > About R1b-U106 the haplogroup or better his subclade R1b-Z381 in three male- > line descendants of Louis XIII of France so it is assumed to be the Capetian > Y Haplogroup. What is arbitrary is to suggest that the Plantagenets would belong to the same haplogroup as the Capetians, given how little we know about Hugh of Perche, the earliest male-line ancestor of the Plantagenets. The author/editor is taking generic vague comments about relationship and turning it into a precise haplogroup. taf

Christian Settipani has conjectured both the Capetians and the Plantagenets to be male line descendants of Count Hervé of Hesbaye.