Em sábado, 26 de agosto de 2017 11:35:09 UTC+1, MaraGM escreveu: > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:20:21 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > Dear followers of the neswgroup, recently while searching through spanish medieval genealogy I found a problem involving the second marriage of Lopo Fernandez Pacheco most sources all based in the Nobiliario of Count Pedro of Barcelos, Tit. XVIII, Villalobos, 9, p. 108, and 7 p. 297 say his second wife was Maria Rodriguez de Villalobos daughter of Rui Gil de Villalobos and his wife Teresa Sanchez daughter of King Sancho IV of Leon and Castille and this is the consensus of modern spanish academy however some sources of the 17th sources like https://books.google.pt/books?id=sM0WAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA69-IA16&lpg=PA69-IA16&dq=Brafila+Sanchez&source=bl&ots=jmsa66vpKh&sig=skPE2mxlHdmxHWQOF7bCUB_8pkw&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu2uvf0u3VAhXK1hoKHXXWDmgQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=Brafila%20Sanchez&f=false say his second wife was a certain Brafila Sanchez daughter of the King Sancho IV of Leon and Castille giving as source the epitaph of Lopo the spanish scholars of today seem to ignore this. On a related matter those sources also say Lopo and Brafila had a daughter named Maria that married Juan Fernandez Yanez de Saavedra. What is the truth in this? > > Do not pay attention to Pellicer. That is incorrect. See article in en.wiki > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lopo_Fernandes_Pacheco > > or in es.wiki > > https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lope_Fern%C3%A1ndez_Pacheco_(m._1349) > > which has the epitath, the correct genealogy, and online sources, most by modern scholars, that you can check to confirm. Sancho IV did not have any daughter with that very strange name. > Regards, > Mara On the other matter did Maria exist? And if so was she his daughter?

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 1:17:31 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Em sábado, 26 de agosto de 2017 11:35:09 UTC+1, MaraGM escreveu: > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:20:21 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > > Dear followers of the neswgroup, recently while searching through spanish medieval genealogy I found a problem involving the second marriage of Lopo Fernandez Pacheco most sources all based in the Nobiliario of Count Pedro of Barcelos, Tit. XVIII, Villalobos, 9, p. 108, and 7 p. 297 say his second wife was Maria Rodriguez de Villalobos daughter of Rui Gil de Villalobos and his wife Teresa Sanchez daughter of King Sancho IV of Leon and Castille and this is the consensus of modern spanish academy however some sources of the 17th sources like https://books.google.pt/books?id=sM0WAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA69-IA16&lpg=PA69-IA16&dq=Brafila+Sanchez&source=bl&ots=jmsa66vpKh&sig=skPE2mxlHdmxHWQOF7bCUB_8pkw&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu2uvf0u3VAhXK1hoKHXXWDmgQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=Brafila%20Sanchez&f=false say his second wife was a certain Brafila Sanchez daughter of the King Sancho IV of Leon and Castille giving as source the epitaph of Lopo the spanish scholars of today seem to ignore this. On a related matter those sources also say Lopo and Brafila had a daughter named Maria that married Juan Fernandez Yanez de Saavedra. What is the truth in this? > > > > Do not pay attention to Pellicer. That is incorrect. See article in en.wiki > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lopo_Fernandes_Pacheco > > > > or in es.wiki > > > > https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lope_Fern%C3%A1ndez_Pacheco_(m._1349) > > > > which has the epitath, the correct genealogy, and online sources, most by modern scholars, that you can check to confirm. Sancho IV did not have any daughter with that very strange name. > > Regards, > > Mara > > On the other matter did Maria exist? And if so was she his daughter? I don't find her documented as his daughter.

Em sábado, 26 de agosto de 2017 12:56:13 UTC+1, MaraGM escreveu: > On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 1:17:31 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > Em sábado, 26 de agosto de 2017 11:35:09 UTC+1, MaraGM escreveu: > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:20:21 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > > > Dear followers of the neswgroup, recently while searching through spanish medieval genealogy I found a problem involving the second marriage of Lopo Fernandez Pacheco most sources all based in the Nobiliario of Count Pedro of Barcelos, Tit. XVIII, Villalobos, 9, p. 108, and 7 p. 297 say his second wife was Maria Rodriguez de Villalobos daughter of Rui Gil de Villalobos and his wife Teresa Sanchez daughter of King Sancho IV of Leon and Castille and this is the consensus of modern spanish academy however some sources of the 17th sources like https://books.google.pt/books?id=sM0WAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA69-IA16&lpg=PA69-IA16&dq=Brafila+Sanchez&source=bl&ots=jmsa66vpKh&sig=skPE2mxlHdmxHWQOF7bCUB_8pkw&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu2uvf0u3VAhXK1hoKHXXWDmgQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=Brafila%20Sanchez&f=false say his second wife was a certain Brafila Sanchez daughter of the King Sancho IV of Leon and Castille giving as source the epitaph of Lopo the spanish scholars of today seem to ignore this. On a related matter those sources also say Lopo and Brafila had a daughter named Maria that married Juan Fernandez Yanez de Saavedra. What is the truth in this? > > > > > > Do not pay attention to Pellicer. That is incorrect. See article in en.wiki > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lopo_Fernandes_Pacheco > > > > > > or in es.wiki > > > > > > https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lope_Fern%C3%A1ndez_Pacheco_(m._1349) > > > > > > which has the epitath, the correct genealogy, and online sources, most by modern scholars, that you can check to confirm. Sancho IV did not have any daughter with that very strange name. > > > Regards, > > > Mara > > > > On the other matter did Maria exist? And if so was she his daughter? > > I don't find her documented as his daughter. Pellicer appears to implie in the same book search in it Maria Rodriguez de Villalobos and click in the first result that Pedro de Barcelos said Maria was daughter of Lopo and Teresa and I've found Maria listed in Pedro's book inhttps://books.google.pt/books?id=EdJPAAAAcAAJ&pg=PT123&lpg=PT123&dq=Brafila+Sanchez&source=bl&ots=xLsS0AqZoX&sig=cIiqKdILhKnEua3Ii9dnGg-b7YI&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiw48C60u3VAhVDrRoKHVD_Bs8Q6AEINzAD#v=onepage&q=Maria%20Rodriguez%20de%20Villalobos&f=false however I'm now questioning what did Pedro believe he also mentions Brafila Sanchez in https://books.google.pt/books?id=EdJPAAAAcAAJ&pg=PT123&lpg=PT123&dq=Brafila+Sanchez&source=bl&ots=xLsS0AqZoX&sig=cIiqKdILhKnEua3Ii9dnGg-b7YI&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiw48C60u3VAhVDrRoKHVD_Bs8Q6AEINzAD#v=onepage&q=Brafila%20Sanchez&f=false.