On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:39:27 PM UTC+2, wjhonson wrote: > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 11:29:46 AM UTC-7, taf wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:36:20 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote: > > > Like I said, relying on Y matches *with* a "strong paper trail" is the > > > quest of fools and old sponges. > > > > > > If you have not used Autosomal DNA to even show that you are related to > > > your own "relatives", than you need to start from scratch. > > > > Given that a "strong paper trail" *without* Y confirmation has to be worse than a paper trail *with* Y confirmation, I have to congratulate you. You have now succeeded in insulting everyone who has ever done medieval genealogy, which it is utterly impossible to verify using your supposed paragon of genealogical confirmation, autosomal DNA analysis. They (we, and you) are all fools and sponges. Well done. > > > > taf > > Ta Dah! > > Well actually you are not correct that medieval ancestry is impossible to verify using Autosomal DNA. > > But leaving that aside for the moment, I am only insulting those people who are claiming to show some ancestry Y-DNA for the Smith family, or the Jones family, when they haven't even done the Autosomal DNA to show that a bastard didn't creep into the line in the past six generations. > > There are plenty of people who do medieval genealogy who couldn't care less what the Y-DNA tests do or don't show. In my opinion, Y DNA is sometimes (rarely) useful in genealogy whereas autosomal tests as they now stand are never or perhaps almost never. If I make a suggestion, if there are real examples of autosomal testing, of the sort currently available, helping medieval genealogy (not counting helping a person check for bastards in recent generations), please start a new thread focused only on that point? I would be interested.

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 11:46:27 AM UTC-7, Andrew Lancaster wrote: > If I make a suggestion, if there are real examples of autosomal testing, > of the sort currently available, helping medieval genealogy (not counting > helping a person check for bastards in recent generations), please start > a new thread focused only on that point? I would be interested. No new thread because there is nothing to talk about. The hypothetical usage being claimed is just pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking that is at odds with the actual reality. The only application of this to medieval genealogy would be to perform it on ancient DNA of identifiable medieval people, and this has not been done. Indeed, I am not aware of autosomal DNA analysis being done on any identifiable medieval people except the selective single-marker tests (e.g. eye color, hair color) done on Richard III. The only other tests of which I am aware done on identifiable medieval people have been Y and mt. taf taf