On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 11:43:28 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 00:14:17 UTC+1, John Higgins escreveu: > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:04:57 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > This book claims that Dorothy merely "came from Beeston" (a place in Nottinghamshire, not Cheshire). It cites "Major Lawson Lowe's" manuscripts at the University of Nottingham (apparently). > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=qYFnAAAAMAAJ&q=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&dq=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidy43E6u3VAhUJQSYKHUeUDQIQ6AEILTAB > > > > A useful find... This would indicate that the pedigree in the 1662 Notts visitation confused Beeston, Notts, with Beeston, Cheshire, and then just assumed that Dorothy was of the Beeston family. Of course any royal descent for Henry Gregory would go away. > > Also perhaps there would still be a royal descent through Maud Moton wife of John Gregory and daughter of Roger Moton. Maud if she every existed at all, had no royal lineage however Her mother is wholely unknown, and her father was a low-level nobody

Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 19:55:36 UTC+1, wjhonson escreveu: > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 11:43:28 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 00:14:17 UTC+1, John Higgins escreveu: > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:04:57 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > This book claims that Dorothy merely "came from Beeston" (a place in Nottinghamshire, not Cheshire). It cites "Major Lawson Lowe's" manuscripts at the University of Nottingham (apparently). > > > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=qYFnAAAAMAAJ&q=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&dq=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidy43E6u3VAhUJQSYKHUeUDQIQ6AEILTAB > > > > > > A useful find... This would indicate that the pedigree in the 1662 Notts visitation confused Beeston, Notts, with Beeston, Cheshire, and then just assumed that Dorothy was of the Beeston family. Of course any royal descent for Henry Gregory would go away. > > > > Also perhaps there would still be a royal descent through Maud Moton wife of John Gregory and daughter of Roger Moton. > > Maud if she every existed at all, had no royal lineage however > Her mother is wholely unknown, and her father was a low-level nobody Wasn't Roger maternal grandson of Baron Ralph Basset?

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 19:55:36 UTC+1, wjhonson escreveu: > > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 11:43:28 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > > Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 00:14:17 UTC+1, John Higgins escreveu: > > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:04:57 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > This book claims that Dorothy merely "came from Beeston" (a place in Nottinghamshire, not Cheshire). It cites "Major Lawson Lowe's" manuscripts at the University of Nottingham (apparently). > > > > > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=qYFnAAAAMAAJ&q=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&dq=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidy43E6u3VAhUJQSYKHUeUDQIQ6AEILTAB > > > > > > > > A useful find... This would indicate that the pedigree in the 1662 Notts visitation confused Beeston, Notts, with Beeston, Cheshire, and then just assumed that Dorothy was of the Beeston family. Of course any royal descent for Henry Gregory would go away. > > > > > > Also perhaps there would still be a royal descent through Maud Moton wife of John Gregory and daughter of Roger Moton. > > > > Maud if she every existed at all, had no royal lineage however > > Her mother is wholely unknown, and her father was a low-level nobody > > Wasn't Roger maternal grandson of Baron Ralph Basset? No

Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 20:30:49 UTC+1, wjhonson escreveu: > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 19:55:36 UTC+1, wjhonson escreveu: > > > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 11:43:28 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > > > Em quinta-feira, 24 de agosto de 2017 00:14:17 UTC+1, John Higgins escreveu: > > > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:04:57 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > This book claims that Dorothy merely "came from Beeston" (a place in Nottinghamshire, not Cheshire). It cites "Major Lawson Lowe's" manuscripts at the University of Nottingham (apparently). > > > > > > > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=qYFnAAAAMAAJ&q=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&dq=broughton+beston+%22hugh+gregory%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidy43E6u3VAhUJQSYKHUeUDQIQ6AEILTAB > > > > > > > > > > A useful find... This would indicate that the pedigree in the 1662 Notts visitation confused Beeston, Notts, with Beeston, Cheshire, and then just assumed that Dorothy was of the Beeston family. Of course any royal descent for Henry Gregory would go away. > > > > > > > > Also perhaps there would still be a royal descent through Maud Moton wife of John Gregory and daughter of Roger Moton. > > > > > > Maud if she every existed at all, had no royal lineage however > > > Her mother is wholely unknown, and her father was a low-level nobody > > > > Wasn't Roger maternal grandson of Baron Ralph Basset? > > No Could you please tell me your sources and reasons for that?

---- wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > > Maud if she every existed at all, had no royal lineage however > Her mother is wholely unknown, and her father was a low-level nobody > this does not automatically preclude a royal ancestry