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    1. Re: Another Agatha sidelight - the birthdate of Empress Gisela
    2. Paulo Canedo
    3. Em terça-feira, 9 de maio de 2017 15:22:34 UTC+1, Stewart Baldwin escreveu: > On 5/8/2017 4:15 PM, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > > One thing we can be pretty surge of, Gisela was born before 999 since placing her birthdate on 999 would lead to an unbeliavable short chronology > > That hasn't stopped everybody from proposing that the 999 date be > accepted. Biologically, the date could be described as "not quite > impossible" and Hans Dobbertin argued in two papers that the date was > correct, using "Annalista Saxo" to claim that Ernst was Gisela's first > husband and Bruno the second. See Hans Dobbertin, "Das > Verwandtschaftsverhältnis der 'schwäbischen' Edlen Ida von Elsdorf zum > Kaiserbruder Ludolf IV. von Braunschweig (+1038) und zu Papst Leo IX. > (+1054)," Braunschweigisches Jahrbuch 43 (1962): 44-76; and "Neues über > Ida von Elsdorf," Braunschweigisches Jahrbuch 53 (1972): 49-67. Most > scholars have rejected his arguments, but he has attracted occasional > followers. > > Stewart Baldwin As seen in your Henry II Project Hlawitschka presented a very good series of arguments that show that Gisela must have born before 999 and that Bruno was the first husband.

    05/09/2017 05:23:01