On 9/05/2017 10:47 AM, Douglas Richardson wrote: <snip> > (2) Mr. Cawley suggests that Countess Pernel's father, William, may be the William (or Guglielmo) de Grandmesnil, signore of Oriolo in Italy, who issued a charter in 1117 with his widowed mother, Countess Mabel, to Cava. References: Il monastero di S. Elia di Carbone e il suo territorio dal Medioevo all'età moderna (1996): 123; Monasteri, principi, aristocrazie: la Trinità di Cava nei secoli XI e XII (2008): 75. Where does Cawley state this? Assuming he does, he is up to his usual standard - the first reference cited specifically states that the year should be corrected from 1117 to 1113. Peter Stewart