On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 1:31:34 PM UTC-4, James Wester wrote: > What about Samuel Hyde son of Joanna and her second husband William? > Is that provable? > > > James Wester > [email protected] > > I have not seen any source that cites any children born of William Hyde's second wife, Joanna. In the Hyde Genealogy of William Hyde of Norwich it gives two children by his unknown first wife: Samuel, born about 1637, who married Jane Lee, and Hester, who married John Post. The Hyde Genealogy states that this Samuel was the only son of William Hyde of Norwich. This makes for an interesting family because Samuel's son John Hyde married Experience Abell, the daughter of Margaret Post (daughter of Hester Hyde and John Post) and Caleb Abell, so he married his first cousin's daughter. If you have more information on this family, please share. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: taf <[email protected]> > To: gen-medieval <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 11:00 am > Subject: Re: Caleb Abell, possible child of Robert Abell, gateway immigrant > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:44:47 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: > > > US New England Marriages Prior to 1700 for Robert Abell, p.2: Abell, Robert > > (-June 1663) & Joanna__(-1682+), m/2 William Hyde of Norwich, Ct 1667; by > > 1639 Weymouth/Rehoboth. > > > > New England Great Migration Begins, p.3 for Robert Abell:Joanna married > > second at Rehoboth 4 June 1667 William Hyde of "New Norwich" [ReVR 3, citing > > original 1:44]; she removed to Norwich with her new husband, and outlived > > him as well. > > > > American Marriages before 1699: Joanna Abell and William Hide 4 June 1667 > > Rehoboth, Massachusetts. > > > > The Abell Family in America by Horace A. Abell and Lewis P. Abell (The > > Tuttle Publishing Co., Inc) p.46: Joanna, after the death of Robert Abell; > > m2nd in Rehoboth June 4, 1667, William Hyde, who probably came to America in > > 1633 with the Reverend Thomas Hooker...William Hyde was one of the original > > proprietors of Norwich, Connecticut in 1660. He d. at Norwich, January 6, > > 1681. > > > > Hope these are good sources. Thank you for looking at my post. > > Yes, I hope they are too, but hope is not a very sound basis. It is important to undertand why they say this. > > Of the two marriage books, I am familiar with one of them, but don't recall which - it is generally good, but it does contain some speculative material, and most importantly, its format does not permit the reported marriages to be supported by documentation or explanation. > > The Great Migration project works are top of the line, so the question is, what exactly do the Rehoboth VR say about Hyde and his wife - are they explicit that she was Robert's widow? Is there any further support, such as probate or land records that make it clear (although if it names her as Joanna Abell, and there are no other documented Abells in Rehoboth, and the one we know of, Robert, had a known wife Joanna and died a few years before this marriage, then it is solid enough, but it would be good to know). > > The Abell book (p. 52) simply makes a bold statement that Robert's widow married William Hyde. > > One thing you want to be careful of is making a circular argument. The Abell book quotes the document in which Caleb called William Hyde his father, so that may be the basis for their conclusion that Hyde married Robert's widow. > Caleb's land document naming Hyde as his 'Father' can be used to prove one additional relationship, but only if the other is documented elsewhere - it proves Caleb was son of Robert if you can separately show that Hyde married Robert's widow, or it can prove Hyde married Robert's widow if you can independently show Caleb was son of Robert, but it can't at the same time prove both that Caleb was son of Robert and that Robert's widow married Hyde. > > taf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message