Mr. Stewart, in one post at the thread The Bad Logics of Geni's Agatha page you mentioned Ida of Elsterdof tradionally believed to be granddaughter of Empress Gisela and daughter of Liudolf however I must say that the chronology making her Gisela's granddaughter and Liudolf's daughter is very tight what do you think.

Op zaterdag 13 mei 2017 19:37:27 UTC+2 schreef Paulo Canedo: > Mr. Stewart, in one post at the thread The Bad Logics of Geni's Agatha page you mentioned Ida of Elsterdof tradionally believed to be granddaughter of Empress Gisela and daughter of Liudolf however I must say that the chronology making her Gisela's granddaughter and Liudolf's daughter is very tight what do you think. >From what I read on Ida of Elsdorp, a later suggestion was that she was a stepdaughter of Liudolf, a daughter from a previous marriage of his wife Gertrud [of Egisheim or as a daughter of an Egbert). Even Liudolf could have married twice as well, an option that might explain that Ida was related to the counts of Egisheim (thus to pope Leo), to emperor Heinrich III (as [step-]daughter of his halfbrother), and otherwise were the name Egbert of Liudolfs son came from. http://www.manfred-hiebl.de/genealogie-mittelalter/brunonen_sippe/familie_der_brunonen.html http://www.manfred-hiebl.de/genealogie-mittelalter/richenza_von_northeim_erbin_von_harsefeld.html Hans Vogels