On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 2:36:06 AM UTC, ScholarGypsy wrote: > RE: Gabriel Ludlow, his wife Phyllis, and ___ Cogswell > > [email protected]<[email protected]> 24 March 2017 at 08:20 > To: [email protected] > > The NEGHR article I mentioned (from ca. 2008) showed that John > Cogswell and Elizabeth had a daughter who remained behind in England, > Phyllis Cogswell wife of ____ Broadhurst, I believe. > > Interesting theory about the daughter of Rev. Thompson being Gabriel > Ludlow's wife. > > I note that an old book on the Harrisons of Virginia speculates she > was a certain Phyllis Wakelyn: > > "The mother of Sarah Ludlow, who m. John Carter, appears to have been > Phillis, the wife who survived Gabriel Ludlow, and who, as far as is > known, was his only wife. Her will, leaving everything to said > Gabriel's children, each of whom she called "my son" or "my daughter," > gives no clue as to her maiden name, and the compiler of the Ludlow > pedigree mentioned in the Introduction has failed to ascertain it. > Gabriel Ludlow is mentioned as a kinsman in the will of George > Willoughby, who was a trader in the East Indies. He was son of > Albinus Willoughby whose nuncupative will, made Aug. 1, 1606, named > Gabriel Pile as an overseer, which may indicate that the relationship > between George Willoughby and Gabriel Ludlow was through the Piles > (see the Chart). The uncommonness of the names "Albinus," or "Alban," > and "Phillis" tempts us to identify Phillis Ludlow with Phillis > Wakelyn, one of the four daughters of Alban Wakelyn of Henley on > Thames, Oxfordshire, whose will was dated April 21, 1602, and probated > Feb. 10, 1602-3, but I cannot trace the family later ..." > > https://books.google.com/books?id=IeVDAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=phillis+wakelyn+harrison&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj15JSpte_SAhUFbiYKHXj-CTwQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=phillis%20wakelyn%20harrison&f=false > > I don't know that that strikes me as too likely, but I suppose someone > could check it out ... > - Show quoted text - > > Due to the foregoing ALBINUS WILLOUGHBY connexion that has arisen in > the LUDLOW investigation, I include the following research I did > nearly four years ago when the name Alban WILLOUGHBY came up on the > list: > > The following was written and saved by me on 3 Aug. 2013, but never > sent to the list or to Paulo Santos Perneta. > > In 2008, there was an exchange on gen-med about the ancestry of Robert > WILLOUGHBY otherwise Roberto Vilovi, an English merchant, who settled > in Funchal, Madeira in the late 16th century. His father was recorded > as Albano WILLOUGHBY, and Roberto's armorial tombstone was shown to > quarter the WILLOUGHBY arms with others as yet unidentified. > > There was a problem with the identity of Albano in English records. > There was no trace of any Alban Willoughby at the right period. > > Coming at the problem from the direction of my ERNLE research, I > decided to investigate the ancestry of Christopher WILLOUGHBY who > married Martha ERNLE, 3rd and youngest daughter, with five sons, of > Sir Walter ERNLE, 1st Baronet, at Chirton, Wilts. in 1692. Christopher > was the only (probably only surviving) son of Sir George WILLOUGHBY, > Knt, (b. ca 1635/36, d. 1695), by his wife, Dorothy or Dorothea, > daughter of Robert LOWTHER, alderman of London. Sir George was an M.P. > and there are biographies of him in the History of Parliament volumes > for 1660-1690, and 1690-1715. > > http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/willoughby-george-1636-95 > > http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/willoughby-sir-george-1635-95 > > Sir George was the 3rd son of Robert WILLOUGHBY, a Roman Catholic > merchant of Funchal, Madeira (who d. after 1642), by his wife, Mary, > daughter of one DANDRADER. This latter name is clearly not English, > and almost looks German, though it is, in fact, a 17th century > rendition of a Portuguese surname, de Andrade. > > In 1681, Sir George WILLOUGHBY inherited his seat, Bishopstone (North) > in Wiltshire from his kinsman, Christopher WILLOUGHBY. > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=LCYVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=%22george+willoughby%22+bishopston&source=bl&ots=wzRi2INB5p&sig=A-O-kVEYAAsrdw38xces7a9BiIs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=16_9UYazFMOniAKmxoGwCA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22george%20willoughby%22%20bishopston&f=false > > The History of Parliament series says that their exact genealogical > relationship is unknown (though there are hints of it in the foregoing > will abstract). > > Both Sir George and his kinsman Christopher WILLOUGHBY recorded their > lineages and right to coat-armour in the 1664 Visitation of London > (Harleian Society Publications, vol. 92, Heraldic series, p. 150). I > am only able to see it in snippet view, but I believe I have the gist > of it. > > >From that stems Sir George WILLOUGHBY's parentage as recorded in the > 1690-1715 version of his Hist. Parl. biography. > > The 1664 Visitation cites his grandfather's name as "Albinus > WILLOUGHBY, of Knoyle, Wilts". I don't think Albinus's wife's name is > included (note of 24/3/2017: I have her name down in my research as > Mary NN, against which I have written that she was possibly a LUDLOW > or a PILE/PYLE, due to the very same excerpt ravenmaven quoted which I > came across during my 2013 research), but I cannot see that. He > [Albinus Willougby] was, however, in turn, the son of Richard > WILLOUGHBY of Fovell, Wilts., and his wife Alice, daughter of NN > Wyatt, of Knoyle, Wilts. and of Meere (now Mere, and also in Wilts.) > and grandson of George WILLOUGHBY, of Fovell, which the 1940 Harl. > Soc. editors say is probably recte Fovant, Wilts. > > Certainly Sir George's kinsman, Christopher WILLOUGHBY's will (pr. > PCC, 17 Feb. 1680/81) states that his own father, Richard WILLOUGHBY, > was born in Fovant, Wilts. (I cannot see what that part of the 1664 > Visitation of London has to say about C.W.'s parentage.). > > It would appear, then, that it is likely that Albinus WILLOUGHBY was > Christopher's brother, though the dating is somewhat extreme if indeed > I am right. For one thing, there is a PCC will for one Albinis > WILLOUGHBY, of Farleigh, Wilts. proved in 1606. Mary, wife of Albinus > WILLOUGHBY of West Knoyle, Wilts. is listed as having been buried at > Dinton, Wilts. in Oct. 1602 (Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural > History Magazine, vol. 54, 1952, p. 398). > > The WILLOUGHBY family of Knoyle (from which the Bishopstone line > sprang) is recorded in both the 1565 and 1623 Visitations of > Wiltshire, but without seeing the full version of the 1664 London > Visitation, I can only make conjectures as to the precise filiation of > the George WILLOUGHBY who heads the 1664 Visitation pedigree(s). > > The most extensive Visitation pedigree (1623) of the Wiltshire > WILLOUGHBY family only hints at where this George might fit in, by > mentioning the Knoyle branch. At the same time, it does include a > George, possibly of the same generation, but belonging to another > branch of the family, settled at Silton in Dorset. I believe this > latter to be a red-herring as far as the placement of the Madeira > branch of the WILLOUGHBY sib is concerned, though I can see how it > also ties into the ERNLE family though the marriage of Alice BLACKER > (whose mother was an ERNLE) to William WILLOUGHBY on p. 218, hence the > appearance among their children of a son named ERNLEY. > > Also belonging to the Knoyle line are Henry WILLOUGHBY of Knoyle and > his wife Jane daughter of John DANSEY normally DAUNTESEY OR DAUNTSEY > (p. 216). Her mother was another ERNLE. > > This Henry WILLOUGHBY had a younger brother, John WILLOUGHBY, of > Baverstock, Wilts. who married Michael [not a mistake] SMITH, and with > other issue had a son Roger WILLOUGHBY who m. by licence dated 1617 > (“The Genealogist” 1908, p. 276, MARRIAGE LICENCES OF SALISBURY. > Edited by the Rev. Edmund Nevill, B.A. “1617….Willoughby, Roger, of > Baverstocke, Wilts, gent., 31, and Sara Goddard, of Littleton, in West > Lavington, sp., 23. 21 Oct.”), Sarah GODDARD (GODDARD is another name > tied to ERNLE in Wilts.). The Visitation records their daughter > Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY as aged 4 in 1623. It is likely that it is to > this branch that, I think rather significantly, belonged another > Albinus WILLOUGHBIE son of Roger, bt. 28 Oct. 1623 in Upton-on-Severn, > Worcestershire (found via FamilySearch.org controlled extractions). > > This too me indicates that it is definitely the Knoyle branch rather > than the Silton branch of the WILLOUGHBY family that is likely to > yield the answer. > > The earliest instance of a CMB record that includes the unusual name > Albinus WILLOUGHBY turns up in Wiltshire, viz.: Remytt son of Albynus > WILLOBEE baptised 22 November 1606 Saint Thomas, Salisbury, Wiltshire > (found via FamilySearch.org controlled extraction batch: C15348-1). > There are further instances later that century in Worcs., when the > Albinus of the 1623 baptism appears as the father, and in London in > 1680. There are, however, references to men of this name connected to > people in New England and Bantam in Java, perhaps indicating that this > was a name popular among adventurous mercantile offshoots of the > Wiltshire WILLOUGHBY family. > > The Knoyle WILLOUGHBY sib itself was founded by Christopher WILLOUGHBY > (PCC will proved 11 May 1571), natural son of Sir William > WILLOUGHBY, Knt, of Turner's Puddle, Dorset, by an unknown mistress. > He was the younger brother of Robert, 1st Lord WILLOUGHBY de BROKE, > founder of the Silton line. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Willoughby,_1st_Baron_Willoughby_de_Broke > > N.B. Apparently the foregoing article is rather inaccurate as to the > progeny of the 1st Lord WILLOUGHBY de BROKE if the 1623 Visitation of > Wilts. contains a fuller listing of his male line issue. > > I should be interested to learn of any further indications about these > interrelated branches of the WILLOUGHBY de BROKE family particularly > as regards the Silton and Knoyle lines. > > Thank you, > > Richard (2013 and 2017) Hi Richard I was very interested to read your notes on the Ernle/Willoughby connections as I have been researching these families for some time. I'm sure I can add some further detail, especially to the Madeira branch, as I've recently visited Robert's tombstone in Funchal and identified members of his family in the cathedral registers. My notes are in a Word profile which I'd be happy to send you; I just need to know the best way to go about it. Regards, Tony Foster