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    1. Re: Another Agatha sidelight - the birthdate of Empress Gisela
    2. Paulo Canedo
    3. Albert of Stade doesn't say which brother of Henry III was Ida's father but since Ernest II and Hermann IV are unlikely candidates she has generally been placed as daughter of Liudolf.

    05/13/2017 09:21:33
    1. Re: Another Agatha sidelight - the birthdate of Empress Gisela
    2. Peter Stewart
    3. On 14/05/2017 8:21 PM, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Albert of Stade doesn't say which brother of Henry III was Ida's father but since Ernest II and Hermann IV are unlikely candidates she has generally been placed as daughter of Liudolf. Not just unlikely candidates, they are impossible ones. Both of them were born too late, Ernest was evidently unmarried, and Hermann's wife was heiress of Turin. In any case, it is hardly worthwhile trying to find a way to retrieve some vestige of possible fact out of Albert of Stade's account - even if you can satisfy yourself with this biologically, as to Ida's origin that is problematic on both sides, there remains the biographic problem of her weird story. Albert was probably without a reliable source, stitching together some odd patches of local legend to make a crude sort of narrative quilt. Peter Stewart

    05/14/2017 03:31:13