On 26/05/2017 11:01 AM, Patricia A. Junkin wrote: > The reference to Hamo Valoines and Titsey comes from Calendar of Patent Rolls. Henry III (1225-1232), Vol. 2, HMSO. P. 281 My question was: What source do you find identifying Haimo the sheriff with a "Hamon Valoines"? The patent roll reference you have given does not address this - it is clearly to Hamo de Valeines in 1229, not to Haimo the sheriff in the 11th century, and not to Valoines for that matter. Peter Stewart

The reference to Hamo Valoines as sheriff is from Brayley’s History of Surrey. Hamon Dapifer (the Sheriff) held Titsey in Tanbridge Hundred in 1086. Valoines appears to have acquired knights fees there by the 13thc. I was just cross checking since I had not thought both were called Sheriff. Pat > On May 25, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Peter Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 26/05/2017 11:01 AM, Patricia A. Junkin wrote: >> The reference to Hamo Valoines and Titsey comes from Calendar of Patent Rolls. Henry III (1225-1232), Vol. 2, HMSO. P. 281 > > My question was: What source do you find identifying Haimo the sheriff with a "Hamon Valoines"? > > The patent roll reference you have given does not address this - it is clearly to Hamo de Valeines in 1229, not to Haimo the sheriff in the 11th century, and not to Valoines for that matter. > > Peter Stewart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 26/05/2017 2:23 PM, Patricia A. Junkin wrote: > The reference to Hamo Valoines as sheriff is from Brayley’s _History > of Surrey_. Hamon Dapifer (the Sheriff) held Titsey in Tanbridge > Hundred in 1086. Valoines appears to have acquired knights fees there > by the 13thc. I was just cross checking since I had not thought both > were called Sheriff. Brayley was wrong - Hamo the sheriff in Domesday book was son of Hamo dentatus of Creully & Torigny. He was not the same as Hamo de Valeines, a Breton, who also occurs in 1086, and the latter's surname was not the same as the Norman Valoines - see Keats-Rohan, *Domesday People* pp. 242-243: 'Domesday Book carefully distinguishes the orthography of Hamo's toponym from that of Peter de Valognes. Despite the subsequent approximation of the orthography of his descendants' name to that of de Valognes, there should be no grounds for confusion between two distinct places.' Peter Stewart