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    1. Re: Conjectured line of descent for William de Berges / Prestwold
    2. According to: Prestwold and its Hamlets in Medieval Times By George F. Farnham, F.S.A. The family of de Berges is the same as Prestwold. The family who bore the name " of Prestwold " appear to have held the manor of Prestwold in the latter part at latest of the twelfth century. They bore for their arms—Sable, a chevron Or, fretty Gules, between three garbs Argent click here to view: its the 2nd version: https://coadb.com/surnames/prestwold-arms.html Robert

    05/19/2017 10:29:30
    1. Re: Conjectured line of descent for William de Berges / Prestwold
    2. Peter Howarth
    3. On Saturday, 20 May 2017 00:29:32 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote: > According to: > Prestwold and its Hamlets > in Medieval Times By George F. Farnham, F.S.A. > > The family of de Berges is the same as Prestwold. > > The family who bore the name " of Prestwold " appear to have held the manor of Prestwold in the latter part at latest of the twelfth century. They bore for their > arms—Sable, a chevron Or, fretty Gules, between three garbs > Argent > > click here to view: its the 2nd version: > > https://coadb.com/surnames/prestwold-arms.html > > Robert Just as I had hoped that progress had been made on applying the same rules of evidence to mediaeval heraldry as are used in other branches of history including genealogy, we now seem to be going backwards again. With only a handful of exceptions, there is no evidence of heraldry in England during the twelfth century except amongst some, but not all, of the rank of earl. There is no evidence of the quoted arms before the Ashmolean Roll c.1334 and those rolls that are based on that collection. And please, please, please, do not use that website again to discover anything. They know even less about mediaeval heraldry than you do, and only want to fleece gullible members of the public. Peter Howarth

    05/19/2017 04:09:55