On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:03:21 AM UTC+10, Peter Stewart wrote: > On 10/05/2017 5:50 AM, Hans Vogels wrote: > > Op dinsdag 9 mei 2017 20:51:49 UTC+2 schreef Hans Vogels: > > > > Count Bruno was one of the pretenders in July 1002 when king Heinrich II was chosen. That seems to be his last mentioning. > > > > Dr. Wilhelm Wegener, "Genealogische Tafeln zur Mitteleuropäischen Geschichte", blz.196 > > > > http://www.manfred-hiebl.de/genealogie-mittelalter/schwaben/hermann_4_herzog_von_schwaben_1039_babenberger/hermann_4_herzog_von_schwaben_+_1038.html > > > > suggests that Ernst I, husband (married before 1012) of Gisela, was already married before Christmas 1004 when he appears as (Schwäbischer) Pfalzgraf, which can only be explained through his marriage. > > This is based on an inauthentic charter from St Stephan abbey in > Strasbourg, and the dating is one of the give-away elements (the charter > states 1005, but with other details indicating 1004). > > By the way, it is unfortunate that the citation on > Genealogie-Mittelalter is to Wilhelm Wegener, who was the editor, > instead of Franz Tyroller who was the author. I had forgotten the details of this - Tyroller was misrepresenting the evidence in the forged charter anyway, since it claims that Werner, bishop of Strasbourg, had received authority over St Stephan abbey "mediantibus hoc principibus Hermanno duce, Ernesto palatino ...", i.e. if true Ernest must have been palatine in Swabia some time before the date of the charter that the forger placed in 1005 with indiction, concurrent and epact corresponding to 1004 (Tyroller sought to resolve the contradiction by placing it on 25 December 1004, the first day of 1005 Christmas style). However, we know from authentic sources that Werner was given the abbey by Heinrich II on 15 January 1003, after duke Hermann had ceded it on 1 October 1002 in reparation for damage he had caused in Strasbourg during his opposition to Heinrich - so if relying on this spurious document to conclude that Ernest was palatine while his father-in-law (who died on 4 May 1003) was duke, the marriage of Gisela to Ernest would have to be placed before January 1003 rather than by Christmas 1004. Peter Stewart