On 31/05/2017 1:18 PM, taf wrote: > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-7, Peter Stewart wrote: > >> Maybe the name William is a slip of the editor, silently supplying, >> rather than the 14th-century annalist - the manuscript (BL Cotton. >> Caligula A x) is not online as far as I can tell, but perhaps only the >> initial W. is given there under 1225. > I have seen the same slip in reverse, where an ipm gives Walter when the person in question was clearly William, and I always suspected a similar cause, the use of a W. somewhere in the transmission process. This can't very well be the case with the Sele priory record "excepting the services of Walter de Beauchamp and Hugh de Mortimer, and their heirs by the daughters of William de Brewse", since it was dated July 1227 and William the (generally supposed) husband of Berta de Braiose had died in 1197. Where did this information come from? How certain is it that the original text doesn't mean "and their heirs descended from the daughters of William de Brewse", i.e. allowing for Walter de Beauchamp himself to be the son rather than husband of Berta? Peter Stewart