Fifteen years ago (Sep 2002!) we had a discussion on this list about the Braose Beauchamp marriage between Bertha and William or Walter. I joined in with Chris Phillips, Cris Nash and John Ravilious trying to come to a considered conclusion, which I think we did - That Bertha was a daughter of William de Braose and Maud de St Valery and that she married William Beauchamp (d 1197). I have just come across a piece of information which throws that conclusion out! There is a fine recorded in the unpublished transcripts of the Sele Priory Charters at Magdelen College, Oxford between John de Braose and Reginald de Braose dated July 1227. In it Reginald acknowledges the Honour of Bramber and the Manor of Tetbury to belong to John “excepting the services of Walter de Beauchamp and Hugh de Mortimer, and their heirs by the daughters of William de Brewse, grandfather of John & father of Reginald which, with whatever else accrues in escheats etc in Normandy, England or Wales, they are to divide.” This indicates that Bertha married Walter de Beauchamp, still alive then, not his father William! Comments? Doug Thompson

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-4, Doug Thompson wrote: > <snip> That Bertha was a daughter of William de Braose and Maud de St Valery and that she married William Beauchamp (d 1197). <snip> > This indicates that Bertha married Walter de Beauchamp, still alive then, not his father William! Wow! Great find. Hugh de Mortimer died Nov 1227 so this fine was only months before his death. If Bertha was a wife of Walter de Beauchamp then it was a wife between Joane Mortimer (died 1225) and his surviving wife Ankarat (married by 1256, survived to 1280s). --Joe C