I am surprised this was never brought to the newsgroup in episode 1 of the series 13 of the famous BBC programme Who Do You Think You Are? originally aired in 24 November 2016 Danny Dyer traced its roots through working class people in the East End of London who in the victorian day even worked at the infamous workhouse back to the famous Thomas Cromwell and his daughter in law Elizabeth Seymour sister of Queen Jane Seymour third wife of King Henry VIII and then back to King Edward III. It is pretty much given in https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/featuredarticles/2016/who-do-you-think-you-are/danny-dyers-cockney-and-royal-roots-371/. This video http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p052k2jt is also useful. I'll post the line the show showed from Edward III to Danny Dyer but there are others. King Edward III Lionel of Antwerp Philippa Plantagenet married Edmund Mortimer Elizabeth Mortimer married Sir Henry Percy Elizabeth Percy married Lord John Clifford Mary Clifford married Sir Philip Wentworth Sir Henry Wentworth Margery Wentworth married John Seymour Elizabeth Seymour married Gregory Cromwell Lord Henry Cromwell Catherine Cromwell married Baronet Lionel Tolemache Anne Tollemache married Robert Gosnold V Robert Gosnold VI Lionel Gosnold Walter Gosnold Tendring Gosnold Charles Gosnold Ann Gosnold married James Buttivant (It is mainly in this generation where the huge fall in the social realm ocurrs James was a manufacturer in Norwich that was declared bankrupt in 1799.) Charles Buttivant (Charles was a cargo clerk who was employed in the Victualling Office that provided food to keep the Royal Navy fed.) Albert Buttivant (Fall in the social realm also ocurrs in this generation Albert was a cigar maker who fell into such hard times that in 1881 as recorded in that year's census he and his wife were inmates at the Old Town Workhouse in Bracoft Road in the next census they were out of the workhouse he was a china picker and his wife was a washerwoman.) Mary Ann Buttivant married John Wallace Joyce Rudd married John Dyer Anthony Dyer Danny Dyer I would like to know did the Marquis de Ruvigny who was contemporany of Mary Ann Buttivant and said almost no one in the working classes were descendants from Edward III trace this line? If not I would say his studies were not as good as many say. Or did Ruvigny find some illegitimacy in the line to exclude it from his publications? As usual comments are welcome.

I've deleted my previous message because I searched more and think the link through Elizabeth de Vere may fail in her maternal grandfather William Stafford his identitiy and ancestry seems debatable. Does anyone here know a good source about it?