On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-7, Joe wrote: > The daughter “Warren” that you mentioned is known from only one reference. He provides for her marriage in his will. If she had been married already we would have no notice of her at all. I think this is what happened to Katherine – once married off she is gone from the record. With regard to the name Warren, Hugh Talbot a biographer of John Talbot says the name actually appears as ‘Warris’ in the original will. Dear Joe, The daughter 'Warren' mentioned by the Earl of Shrewsbury in his will of 1 Sept. 1452 was his youngest legitimate daughter, Elizabeth Talbot (1442-1506). He had married her at a very young age in Oct. 1448 to John Mowbray, the only son and heir of the Duke of Norfolk. On 24 Mar. 1451, seventeen months before he wrote his will, Shrewsbury's young son-in-law John Mowbray had been created Earl Warenne, and so Shrewsbury's daughter was Countess Warenne. Hope this helps! Cheers, ------Brad