On 13-Sep-17 5:49 AM, Paulo Canedo wrote: > It couldn't have been Enguerrand I the one excommunicated in 1049 he had already died at the time the Chronique de Saint Riquier records his death in 1045 and his burial at Saint Riquer. About the title Enguerrand II could easily have been joint count with his father. Once again you are repeating misinformation here without the courtesy of indicating where you found it. Please stop wasting time and goodwill in this way. If you don't know where to find or how to check a source, it is surely better to ask for help here rather than take a chance on whatever version of events you find online while covering your tracks. The chronicle of Saint-Riquier does NOT record when Enguerrand I died or where he was buried - it says that he died at an advanced age and was succeeded by his son Hugo, and that Hugo was in turn succeeded by his son Enguerrand, who first occurs as count in his charter for Saint-Riquier on the day of his father's (i.e. Hugo's) burial there (20 November 1052). You can find this real information here (pp 230-231): https://archive.org/stream/chroniquedelabb00harigoog#page/n312/mode/2up. We do not know when Enguerrand I died, except that this was on a 20 or 21 September. Peter Stewart