On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 3:49:19 PM UTC-4, Paulo Canedo wrote: > It couldn't have been Enguerrand I the one excommunicated in 1049 he had already died at the time the Chronique de Saint Riquier records his death in 1045 and his burial at Saint Riquer. About the title Enguerrand II could easily have been joint count with his father. Paulo, we need to talk. I mean this with all the respect possible, and please read the following in the kindest tone possible. Since you have joined this group you have been very disruptive. Lots of misinformation sent, and lots of half-thought out questions posted. Take a breathe, and take the time to create a well formed well thought out post, with whatever sources are the basis of your question. You are wasting a lot of people's time right now and whether you know it or not, you are personally driving away some of the experts we have on the list because you are lowering the signal to noise ratio here greatly. No need to respond, just consider. Joe C --member of list for 21 years.