On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-7, Brad Verity wrote: > On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-7, Joe wrote: > > The daughter “Warren” that you mentioned is known from only one reference. He provides for her marriage in his will. If she had been married already we would have no notice of her at all. I think this is what happened to Katherine – once married off she is gone from the record. With regard to the name Warren, Hugh Talbot a biographer of John Talbot says the name actually appears as ‘Warris’ in the original will. > > Dear Joe, > > The daughter 'Warren' mentioned by the Earl of Shrewsbury in his will of 1 Sept. 1452 was his youngest legitimate daughter, Elizabeth Talbot (1442-1506). He had married her at a very young age in Oct. 1448 to John Mowbray, the only son and heir of the Duke of Norfolk. On 24 Mar. 1451, seventeen months before he wrote his will, Shrewsbury's young son-in-law John Mowbray had been created Earl Warenne, and so Shrewsbury's daughter was Countess Warenne. > > Hope this helps! > > Cheers, ------Brad Hi Brad, Thanks. It certainly explains an unusual name. I believe when I wrote the stuff above 16 years ago, I had just read the very lengthy will (it was several pages) of John Talbot which had been given in full in "The English Achilles: An Account of the Life and Campaigns of John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, (1383-1453)", by Hugh Talbot. The way I remember it though the daughter was clearly unmarried, and money was being set aside should she ever marry. I probably still have this at home somewhere; I will see if I can check it. I'm still not sure we can say Katherine was a daughter of Maud Neville (who has only 4 known children in an 18 year marriage) or if she was illegitimate.
Dear Joe ~ A transcript of the 1452 will of Sir John Talbot, K.G., Earl of Shrewsbury, is published in Trans. Shropshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. 3rd Ser. 4 (1904): 371–378. You can view this transcript at the following weblink: https://books.google.com/books?id=63hHAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA371 Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah