On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 4:48:24 AM UTC-7, freeb...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, October 17, 2007 at 4:04:27 PM UTC-4, mhol...@mac.com wrote: > > The Goring Family seated at Burton, Sussex is ancestral to (among > > others), the late Princess Diana, Prince Charles, and the Ironmonger > > emigrants to Virginia. They are also ancestral to Rose (Stoughton) > > Otis of Dover, NH. Her ancestor Edmund Lewkenor m. Joan Tyrrell, the > > probable daughter of Jasper and Anne (Goring) Tyrrell. Anne is > > probably the daughter of John and Joan (Hewster) Goring. This John is > > sandwiched between two other Johns, both of whom leave wills in PCC. > > The Visitation of Sussex, pp. 45-6 has the pedigree of this family and > > in the earliest generations, just in the male line. This information > > also appears in Burke's Peerage and the CP (sub Norwich). We can use > > the chronology of the Lewkenor family to aid in setting Anne in this > > family. > > > > Edmund and Joan (Tyrell) are having children beginning in 1530, she is > > likely born say 1505-1510. That would put her mother's birth at about > > 1480-90. She cannot be the daughter of John Goring and Constance > > Dyke. His will is prob. Feb. 1520/1 (as John Gorynge of Burketon, > > Sussex), PCC Mainwaring, and names his unmarried daughters as Sybella, > > Eleanor, Jane and Anne. > > > > The first John Goring's will is prob. Nov. 1495 (as John Gwyng, PCC > > Vox). He mentions his son John, John's wife Joanne, William, Richard, > > Anne, Johanne, his brothers and sisters (i.e. the younger John's > > siblings) and Elizabeth and Thomas Dyke, also siblings to the younger > > John. This is the man who married Margaret Ramylde (given as Rodnell > > in the Visitation) and married secondly Eleanor (Pagenham) Dyke, widow > > of Henry Dyke and mother of the Constance Dyke who would marry, the > > last of these John Gorings. He is born to early to be the father of > > Anne (Goring) Tyrrell. There, the middle John Goring, for whom we > > have no will, born say 1450 is the probable father of Anne, based on > > chronology alone. > > > > Has anyone studied this family for these generations? > > Even while it always seems to be about you amerikeens (the self absorbed and poorly educated) I have a conundrum. > > From the visitations of Hamnts. 1530 etc I have Elizabeth Creswell/Cresswell sp. of Sir Henry Goring. There are no progeny from this union. The pedigrees (and picture, the tree) provides few dates. > > The question is this Henry husband/sp of Dorothy Everard? http://www.thepeerage.com/p12310.htm#i123091 > and Elizabeth Creswell?? > > Sincerely > James Waddell > Sudbury Ontario > > ps despite the acrimony the work in the thread is well done; respect. http://books.google.com/books?id=vPYMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA46#v=onepage&q=goring&f=false Vis Sussex, "Goring"