On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 4:25:39 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: > I would like to know did the Marquis de Ruvigny who was contemporany of Mary Ann Buttivant and said almost no one in the working classes were descendants from Edward III trace this line? If not I would say his studies were not as good as many say. Or did Ruvigny find some illegitimacy in the line to exclude it from his publications? As already said by someone else, a single exception would not prove de Ruvigny wrong, but I think more can be said. The probably of an Edward III descent goes up enormously every generation. As it happens my one Edward III descent is from a family who had a bankruptcy in Norfolk in about the same period. I think this is no coincidence. By the 16th century most of the higher level aristocracy had an Edward III descent, and the case of Cromwell shows how it was spreading into a wider group. By the 18th century the gentry, a growing class, had a lot of Edward III descents. But then we get to 1800. We only have to read Dickens to know that bankruptcies and social chaos was a big issue during and after the Napoleonic wars, sending many of the gentry into the working class, masses of people to the colonies and cities, and thoroughly mixing Britains's genes. By now, chances are that anyone of British ancestry on all side will have an Edward III descent.

I think Danny Dyer's line was briefly presented to the newsgroup after it first aired but I'm not sure what date. I saw a discussion about it by Brad Verity on his blog page as well and he broke down each generation. As it happens, the Tollemache/Cromwell and Gosnold families are both related to my lines. Sir Henry Wentworth of Nettlestead (in the Cromwell/Tollemache pedigree) had a sister who was ancestral to William Farrar of Virginia in my father's line. The Gosnolds were descended from the Wingfields at Letheringham who were ancestral to another Virginia gateway, Diana Dale (née Skipwith) in my mother's line. I had the privilege of visiting Suffolk this past June and seeing the old Wingfield and Gosnold residences. The Tollemache family still lives in the area and even some Wingfields. You might google search Brad Verity's blog page and see if you can find the discussion about Danny Dyer. He did a thorough overview of each generation. Steve Riggan Sent from my iPad > On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Andrew Lancaster <lancaster.boon@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 4:25:39 PM UTC+2, Paulo Canedo wrote: >> >> I would like to know did the Marquis de Ruvigny who was contemporany of Mary Ann Buttivant and said almost no one in the working classes were descendants from Edward III trace this line? If not I would say his studies were not as good as many say. Or did Ruvigny find some illegitimacy in the line to exclude it from his publications? > > As already said by someone else, a single exception would not prove de Ruvigny wrong, but I think more can be said. The probably of an Edward III descent goes up enormously every generation. > > As it happens my one Edward III descent is from a family who had a bankruptcy in Norfolk in about the same period. I think this is no coincidence. > > By the 16th century most of the higher level aristocracy had an Edward III descent, and the case of Cromwell shows how it was spreading into a wider group. By the 18th century the gentry, a growing class, had a lot of Edward III descents. > > But then we get to 1800. We only have to read Dickens to know that bankruptcies and social chaos was a big issue during and after the Napoleonic wars, sending many of the gentry into the working class, masses of people to the colonies and cities, and thoroughly mixing Britains's genes. > > By now, chances are that anyone of British ancestry on all side will have an Edward III descent. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message