On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:19:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Riggan wrote: > I am a descendant of John Hicks and Herodias Long of New England myself, but the line beyond John might go another generation or two reliably. We're not sure if he was any relation to the other families who settled in New England. He and his wife Herodias came from London to the New World in the 1600's but we have never established his line earlier. The links to English nobility are likely unreliable as I have seen many, many of these attempts at attaching the American Hicks to the family of Ellis Hicks. I have never seen proof of this connection so I would not put a lot of stock in it unless more credible evidence emerges. I wish I could say different, but the evidence has not so far been there. Baptist Hicks, 1st Viscount Camden's grandson Baptist Noel, 3rd Viscount, was married to Hester Wotton who was a cousin to my mother's family in England, so this was one of our connections to the Hicks family completely independent of my American Hicks line. > > Steve Riggan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:45 AM, "rblood63@gmail.com" <rblood63@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Monday, February 26, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Jared Olar wrote: > >> Help me who can: > >> > >> In the book SIGNERS OF THE MAYFLOWER COMPACT, by Annie Arnoux > >> Haxtun, 1897-1899, reprinted 1968, page 104, there is a pedigree of the > >> colonist Robert Hickes (who came to Massachusetts on the _Fortune_ in > >> 1621) tracing him back to a SIR ELLIS HICKS who was supposedly knighted > >> on the battlefield of Poitiers by Edward the Black Prince. She claims to > >> be taking this information from the "Barton Genealogy," pages 189-90, > >> whatever that is. > >> The size of it is this--that Robert Hicks belonged to the same > >> family from which came SIR BAPTIST HICKS, created 5 May 1628 Baron Hicks of > >> Ilmington, co. Warwick, and Viscount Campden, as well as the Baronets > >> Hicks (later Hicks-Beach). [See Cokayne's _Complete Baronetage_, > >> microprint edition 1983, pp.125-127,150-151] > >> Here is the reputed relationship of Robert Hicks to the > >> 'gentlemanly' Hickses. The capitalised names are verified by Cokayne: > >> > >> > >> Sir Ellis Hicks > >> ! > >> > >> ! > >> > >> ! > >> John Hicks > >> d.1492 > >> ! > >> !----------------------------------------! > >> Thomas Hicks ROBERT HICKS > >> d.1565 of St. Pancras Lane, > >> md.Margaret Atwood Cheapside, London, Mercer. > >> ! md.JULIA ARTHUR > >> ! ! > >> !-----------------------! !-----------------------! > >> John Hicks Baptist Hicks SIR MICHAEL SIR BAPTIST > >> b.c.1526 HICKES HICKES > >> md.Mary Everard of Beverston 1st. Viscount > >> ! Castle, co. Campden > >> ! Gloucester. d.20/28 Oct. 1629 > >> ! d.15 Aug.1612 ! > >> ! ! ! > >> !-----------------------! ! ! > >> Baptist Hicks James Hicks WILIAM HICKS {2 DAUS.} > >> d. unmd. md.Phoebe Baronet of > >> ! Beverston Castle > >> ! d.9 Oct. 1680 > >> ! > >> !--------------------------------------------------! > >> {3 daus.} John Ephraim *Robert* Samuel Thomas James > >> Hicks Hicks *Hicks* Hicks Hicks Hicks > >> d. y. b.1580 > >> > >> The chronology of this pedigree seems really bad. For example, you > >> will notice that Robert is said to have been born a whole century before > >> the death of William Hicks, reputed second cousin of Robert's reputed > >> father James. Furthermore, on the same page that the above pedigree appears, > >> Haxtun quotes another authority which says that Robert Hicks was the son of > >> JOHN Hicks, not James. Which is right? Is it known for certain one way > >> or the other? > >> Concerning the abovenamed sons of James and Phoebe Hicks, Haxtun > >> states that Samuel Hicks has two sons, named TIMOTHY and RICHARD--these > >> two, she said, emigrated New England. [Where??]. Samuel's brother Thomas > >> was a linen draper of London who followed his brother Robert to New > >> England. Finally, the youngest named son, James, was a clerk in the > >> London warehouse of his 'cousin' Sir Baptist Hicks (presumably the 1st. > >> Viscount Campden). > >> > >> Is any of this true, or is it some of that typical genealogical > >> bullshit from the nineteenth century? > >> ---------------------------------------------- > >> There is one other notice which seems to concern this family. > >> This comes from "English Origins of New England Families," second series, > >> volume II, 1985, page 760: > >> > >> Henry Miners "married one Henreta Hicks, . . . daughter to Edward > >> Hicks of Glocester, of whom, as appears by the paling of their armes, are > >> the Hicks of Beverston Castle in Glocester descended; . . . ." Later > >> this quoted manuscript describes the Hicks arms as "gu. a fesse wavy, > >> between three fleurs-de-lis or." Chronologically it would seem to me that > >> this Edward would be in the generation immediately after Sir Ellis Hicks. > >> ---------------------------------------------- > >> Does anyone know anymore about the Hickses of Beverston Castle, and/or > >> the ancestry of the colonist Robert Hicks (of whom I am a descendant)? > >> > >> Jared Olar > >> olar@eagle.uis.edu > >> University Court West #127 > >> Springfield, IL 62703-5400 > > > > My grandmother's father was a Hicks. Do you need help with the geniology of the Hicks? Because everything you have said is write. email me: pmbrumley@eagles.usi.edu > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hello Mr., Riggan, My name is Bradley Johnson and also my family are also descendants from John Hicks And Herodias Long. It is through their son Thomas Hicks, the husband of Mary Doughty. Whenever you receive this email, can you please reply back to me, and also I will appreciate it. Thank you and Sincerely, Bradley Johnson