I have just found out that Sir George Howard, a member of the Courts of the Tudor rulers between roughly 1540 and his death, died in or after 1591 rather than in about 1580 as most historians have recorded. In the topic "Memorials of Kidbrooke, Co. Kent" by E.H.W. Dunk on page 216 in "The Reliquary Quarterly Archaeological Journal And Review. Edited by Llewellynn Jewitt, FSA. Vol. XIV, 1873-74. London, Bemose & Sons, is mention that the manor of Kidbrooke,  once was part of the Convent of St. Mary Overy until 1539 when it became Crown property. "In 4 and 5 Philip and Mary, a lease of the manor was granted to Thomas Newporte at the yearly rent of £10. In the following reign it was demised in reversion, with divers lands in other counties, to Sir George Howard, Knt., Master of the Armoury (Patent Roll, 13 Elizabeth, April 26), by whom it was held until 1591, when it was let to Bryan Annesley, of Lee, and his daughters Christian and Cordelia for theirs lives." So if there was a Will for Sir George Howard, it would have been proved in 1591 or 1592 I would think. Darrel Hockley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Hockley via" <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com> To: "Gen-medieval" <gen-medieval-l@rootsweb.com>; <howard-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <lewgriffin@cox.net>; "David Jay Webber" <jaywebber@cox.net> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 7:42 AM Subject: My theory on the origins of various New England Howard families > In my research on my Howard ancestors, I have discovered that various > different Howard families who settled in New England and Virginia in the > 1600s have stories of their being descended from the Dukes of Norfolk. I > have a theory that they may have descended from Henry Howard of Lambeth > (c. 1510 to after 1542), eldest son of Lord Edmund Howard and Joyce > Culpepper, and his wife Ann. > From "The House of Howard", by Gerald Brenan & Edward Phillips Statham, > Vol.I, (1907) London, the Authors say thus concerning Henry and Ann Howard > on page 283: > "What eventually became of this pair, or whether they left any children, > is at present unknown, nor can we penetrate the reasons why Henry Howard's > marriage and career at Court should have been suppressed by Lilly, Mr. > Howard of Corby, and other chroniclers in the confidence of the heads of > the family. > "All great houses have their secrets; and there is something strangely > suspicious about the received accounts of Katharine Howard's brothers, all > of whom are said to have died without issue. It is by no means improbable > that the Howards, Earls of Wicklow, or some other line of Howards whose > ancestry is now in doubt, may spring from Henry Howard of Lambeth and his > wife Ann." > Henry Howard is thought to have married Ann (maiden name unknown) about > 1535 and so by the year 1542, when they disappeared from history, may have > had by then several young children. I believe they may have settled on > lands owned by Henry's mother's family the Culpeppers of Preston Hall, > near Aylesford in the County of Kent. > In "A Genealogical Record embracing all the known descendants in this > Country of Thomas and Susanna Howard..." by Jarvis Cutler Howard, A.M. > (1881) Hartford, Conn., USA, on page 5 I found the following: > Among the "Emigrants in the (ship) Hercules of Sandwich, John Wetherly, > master, bound for the plantation called New England, in America, with > certificates from the minister where they last dwelt of their conversion > and conformity to the order and discipline of the Church, and that they > had taken the oath of allegiance, etc., > "Thomas Hayward (Howard) of Aylesford, tailor, > "Susanna his wife, and five children. > "Their certificate is signed by William Colpepper (Culpepper), Caleb > Bancks, Edw Duke, Han. Crispe, and Franc. Froiden, clerk, and was dated > March 14, 1634." > The youngest brother of Henry Howard was Sir George Howard (c. 1519 to c. > 1580) who obtained government appointments (and resulting income) from > King Edward VI, Queen Mary I, and Queen Elizabeth I. I believe that he > became the patron of his older brother Henry and his family. In January of > 1553 George rented several houses in London from the Crown and I believe > he may have installed Henry and Ann (if they were still alive) and their > children in at least one of those houses. Over the following years George > would have obtained positions in the trades or professions or other > favourable situations for any of his nephews/nieces whether in London or > Kent or elsewhere. There is no record of George leaving a Will which is > strange to say as he was a wealthy man at his death, but if it be > discovered, it should mention who his heirs were and I believe it would > mention nephews and nieces. > Dr. Len Howard of Hawaii had collected information on my ancestor Edward > Howard who settled in Boston, MA about 1642. Some of it is wrong such as > Edward being the son of Sir Francis Howard who was born in 1628 and was > baptised in St. Margaret's Westminster. However I do believe the > information that Edward being trained in Law in London before he moved to > New England is probably correct and I believe he actually was the Edward > Howard who was baptised in St. Margaret's Westminster in the year 1616 > which would have made him age 26 years or so when he left England for > America. > Darrel Hockley > Regina, SK, Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message