Help request: Previously, I have only seen one good reference to a William as brother of Hugh, son of Hugh Despenser in a charter of Thomas de Ardene in a Chester deed, in that record he was not shown with the name Despenser following as is portrayed below. First, can any one ascertain if the place "Lutterburc", has a more common name. I have seen similar spellings such as Luctberg, which later states it was Loughborough,but in this case, I'm not sure? Secondly, to [who's men] are they referring to when it says "with the consent of their men of ' Lutterburc". Bascially, I want to know: Is it saying Geoffrey de Jort has men in this place alongside Thomas Despenser? From: Honours and Kt's fees Vol. 1 pg. 63 under Woodthorpe: Thorpe ' Muntford ' is assumed to be the present Woodthorpe. The association of the family of Muntford (not Montefort) with this place, implied by its distinctive appellation, has not been discovered, but Thomas Despenser, Geoffrey de Jort, W. de Munford, Henry son of Serlo and Robert his son, and Robert son of Picot, with the consent of their men of ' Lutterburc,' gave to Garendon abbey land called ' Locholmewro de Luteberc' The position of this place is proved by the following deed : Hugh Despenser, son and heir of Hugh Despenser, grants to Sir Geoffrey Despenser his uncle his wood of Thorp Munfort, which descended to him from his father and from William Despenser his uncle, namely from Lousterbothes Durnes, by the grantor's wood called La Haye to his park (of Loughborough), adjoining the ditch between Thorpwatecroft and the field of Thorpmunfort, as far as Cadaker and so to La Thurne. As a side note: Woodthorpe is named under "Fees of Honour of Chester" the tenant is named as being Despenser.

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 14:02:32 UTC+1, Robert Spencer wrote: > Help request: Previously, I have only seen one good reference to a William as brother of Hugh, son of Hugh Despenser in a charter of Thomas de Ardene in a Chester deed, in that record he was not shown with the name Despenser following as is portrayed below. > > First, can any one ascertain if the place "Lutterburc", has a more common name. I have seen similar spellings such as Luctberg, which later states it was Loughborough,but in this case, I'm not sure? > > Secondly, to [who's men] are they referring to when it says "with the consent of their men of ' Lutterburc". Bascially, I want to know: Is it saying Geoffrey de Jort has men in this place alongside Thomas Despenser? > > From: Honours and Kt's fees Vol. 1 > pg. 63 under Woodthorpe: > > Thorpe ' Muntford ' is assumed to be the present Woodthorpe. > > The association of the family of Muntford (not Montefort) with > this place, implied by its distinctive appellation, has not been > discovered, but Thomas Despenser, Geoffrey de Jort, W. de > Munford, Henry son of Serlo and Robert his son, and Robert son > of Picot, with the consent of their men of ' Lutterburc,' gave to > Garendon abbey land called ' Locholmewro de Luteberc' > > The position of this place is proved by the following deed : > > Hugh Despenser, son and heir of Hugh Despenser, grants > to Sir Geoffrey Despenser his uncle his wood of Thorp Munfort, > which descended to him from his father and from William > Despenser his uncle, namely from Lousterbothes Durnes, by > the grantor's wood called La Haye to his park (of Loughborough), > adjoining the ditch between Thorpwatecroft and the field of Thorpmunfort, as > far as Cadaker and so to La Thurne. > > As a side note: > Woodthorpe is named under "Fees of Honour of Chester" the tenant is named as being Despenser. > ------------------------------- ________________________________________ Lutterburc is certainly Loughborough, which appears in early records in forms like Lucteburc, Lucteburga (I suspect -tt- is a misreading of -ct-, a very easy mistake to make). By 1300 forms like Lughteburgh become more usual. In the last 6 months I've been looking at quite a few original records from Loughborough and Woodthorpe. I don't think I've ever seen the latter called anything but 'Wodthorpe', but then again all the references I've seen date from after 1350. It's quite possible that it was earlier called Thorpe Muntford or Montfort. But a short distance away from Woodthorpe are Shelthorpe, Knight Thorpe and Thorpe Acre - Thorpe Muntford might also have been one of them. The early forms of the names of all these places will be revealed when the final volume of Barrie Cox's Place-names of Leicestershire, dealing with West Goscote hundred, comes out (later this year?). Until then one has to look in his PhD thesis on the place-names of Leicestershire, on which the books are substantially based. We have one in our departmental library and I'll have a look at it on Friday, when I'll next be there. Yes, the quoted deed does seem to be saying that Thomas Despenser, Geoffrey de Jort, W. de Munford, Henry son of Serlo and Robert his son, and Robert son of Picot all had tenants in Loughborough (presumably meaning the large parish/manor of Loughborough, which included at least parts of Knight Thorpe, Thorpe Acre, Woodthorpe, Shelthorpe and Cotes, across the river, and additionally had frankpledge jurisdiction over Mountsorrel, Burton on the Wolds, Barrow, Quarndon, and Prestwold). Matt Tompkins

Thank you Matt, your as prompt as ever and keen to help, I appreciate it. The appearance of Geoffrey de Jort in the post in relation to Lougborough now makes sense, as I was seeing the founder of Burton Jorce in Notts., being referred to as "Geoffrey of Lougborough" with his brother William de Jorz, both being the sons of Robert de Jort fls. 1166 who was a Kt. of the Honour of Blythe and held Wymeswold, Leisc. of the honour of Tickhill. Further to this the following record may show the Jort /Jorz relationship. Source: Honour's and kt.'s fees Vol.1, pg.56 Heading: HONOR OF CHESTER Excerpt: "Earl Ranulf III [Ranaulf Blondeville, 6th Earl of Chester 1170-1232]gave to Garendon abbey common of pasture for all herds in Barrow, except in the park.(4) He also confirmed the gifts made to the same abbey in Holywell Hall (' Haliwellhawe ') by Robert de Jorz, William de Jorz and Thomas le Despenser.(5) Hugh le Despenser gave to Stephen de Segrave, in free marriage with Roese his sister, 1 virgate in Barrow.(6)" 4. Ibid. v. 332. 5. Ibid. 6. Harl. MS. 4748, f. lid. Interestingly is the following record from: Honours and Kt.'s fees Page 2 of the Honor of Chester shows the tenant as only Jorz. HONOR OF CHESTER (Pg. 2) Burton-on-the-Wolds, Leics. . . Jorz. At the time of the Domesday survey the Jort's held only parts of Hoton and Wymeswold, Leisc., but they later seem to hold parts of Prestwold and I find them in this source named as the only tenant of Burton on the Wolds, held of the Honour of Chester. What connection did they have to the Earl's of Chester and this honour? Any ideas? I would be interested in what anyone has to say here. Thanks again, Robert

Since I posted this querry re: William Despenser , I have found this same William Despenser to be the parson of the church of Cossington, to which Hugh Despenser was the patron. Source: From: Honours and Kt's fees Vol. 1 pg. 215, MEDIEVAL COSSINGTON , mentions the Matriculus of Hugh Welles, Cant. & York Soc., i,259 "In the Matriculus of Hugh Welles, Cant. & York Soc., i, 259, "Hugh Despenser is patron of the church of Cosington, the parson is W. Despenser. Robert