On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 14:02:32 UTC+1, Robert Spencer wrote: > Help request: Previously, I have only seen one good reference to a William as brother of Hugh, son of Hugh Despenser in a charter of Thomas de Ardene in a Chester deed, in that record he was not shown with the name Despenser following as is portrayed below. > > First, can any one ascertain if the place "Lutterburc", has a more common name. I have seen similar spellings such as Luctberg, which later states it was Loughborough,but in this case, I'm not sure? > > Secondly, to [who's men] are they referring to when it says "with the consent of their men of ' Lutterburc". Bascially, I want to know: Is it saying Geoffrey de Jort has men in this place alongside Thomas Despenser? > > From: Honours and Kt's fees Vol. 1 > pg. 63 under Woodthorpe: > > > Thorpe ' Muntford ' is assumed to be the present Woodthorpe. > > The association of the family of Muntford (not Montefort) with > > this place, implied by its distinctive appellation, has not been > > discovered, but Thomas Despenser, Geoffrey de Jort, W. de > > Munford, Henry son of Serlo and Robert his son, and Robert son > > of Picot, with the consent of their men of ' Lutterburc,' gave to > > Garendon abbey land called ' Locholmewro de Luteberc' > > > > The position of this place is proved by the following deed : > > Hugh Despenser, son and heir of Hugh Despenser, grants > > to Sir Geoffrey Despenser his uncle his wood of Thorp Munfort, > > which descended to him from his father and from William > > Despenser his uncle, namely from Lousterbothes Durnes, by > > the grantor's wood called La Haye to his park (of Loughborough), > > adjoining the ditch between Thorpwatecroft and the field of Thorpmunfort, as > far as Cadaker and so to La Thurne. > > As a side note: > Woodthorpe is named under "Fees of Honour of Chester" the tenant is named as being Despenser. These court cases might be of some interest: Trinity Term 1239, Northampton. Juliana, who was the wife of William le Despencer, claims one third part of half a virgate of land in Irfeld as her dower. Curia Regis Roll, No. 120, m. 5. Hilary Term 1243, Leicestershire. Serlo de Thorp demands against Hugh le Despencer, whom Adam Jago calls to warranty one messuage with the appurtenances (except 80 feet in length and 40 feet in width) in Lughteburgh as his right; and of which he says that a certain Amice (mother of the said Serlo) was seised in her demesne as of fee in the time of King John, father of the lord the King that now is, by taking issues to the value of half a mark. And from the said Amice the right descended to the said Serlo, who now seeks, as son and heir. And that such is his right, etc. And Hugh comes and denies the right, etc., and places himself on the Grand Assize of the lord the King and seeks recognition whether he has not the greater right to the said messuage in demesne; because Serlo quitclaimed it to William le Despencer, uncle of the said Hugh, whose heir he is. A day is given them on the coming of the Justices, and then let 4 knights come. Curia Regis Roll, No. 127, m. 14 d. From: George F. Farnham, Quorndon Records (1912), 33 & 35. Regards, John