On Monday, 9 May 2016 19:13:55 UTC+1, John Watson wrote: > On Monday, 9 May 2016 17:13:42 UTC+1, al...@mindspring.com wrote: > > Also shown in a number of places online: > > > > > > > > The Survey of the County of York, Taken by John de Kirkby, Commonly Called ... John Kirkby, p 281. > > > > "William de Ergham... and Thomas de Outhenby, or de Aunby, and William de Ergham as representatives, the one of Christian, the other of Joan, sisters of Osbert de Arches, while Edmund Mansel claimed a third part, as son and heir of Alice another sister." > > > > Jury determined Alice a bastard. > > > > Which helps determine some about the relationship between some of these families. Not clear it is the same William de Ergham. > > > > Doug Smith > > The Erghum pedigree is briefly as follows: > > 1. Malger de Erghum married Joan, sister of Osbert de Arches > > 2. Walter de Erghum > > 3. William de Erghum (d. aft. 1322) m. Eustache > > 4. William de Erghum (d. bef. 2 Apr 1347) m. Sibyl dau. of Henry fitz Aucher > > 5. William de Erghum (d. aft 1405) m. Katherine dau. of Hugh de Cressy > > 6a. Juliana de Erghum (d.s.p) m. John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 2 Jun 1429) (first wife) > 6b. Sibyl de Erghum (d. abt 1408) m. Robert Cumberworth (d. 1405) > > Regards, > John Corrections to the pedigree: 1. Malger de Erghum married Joan, sister of Osbert de Arches 2. Walter de Erghum 3. William de Erghum (d. aft. 1322) m. Eustache [possibly a daughter of William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe] 4. William de Erghum (d. bef. 2 Apr 1347) m. Sibyl dau. of Aucher fitz Henry [not Henry fitz Aucher] 5. William de Erghum (d. aft 1405) m. Katherine dau. of Hugh de Cressy 6a. Juliana de Erghum (d.s.p) m. John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 2 Jun 1429) (first wife) 6b. Sibyl de Erghum (d. abt 1408) m. Robert Cumberworth (d. 1405) My suggestion that Eustache was a daughter of William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe and his wife Eustache fitz Ralph is purely speculation, based on her name and that the arms of Ros are shown on the seal of Isabel her daughter, wife of Peter de Percy and Philip de Neville. Sibyl, was a daughter of Aucher fitz Henry, as shown in the summary of the Common Pleas case below, and not his son Henry fitz Aucher as suggested in Complete Peerage, vol. 5, 415. 1364, Trinity Term. Miles de Stapelton, chivaler, and Sibel de Erghum claim against Master John de Snayth 30 acres of land and 6 acres of meadow in Carleton near Snayth, as their right and inheritance, in which John has no entry except through a demise which John de Bella Aqua, sometime husband of Laderana Brewes, great-grandmother of Miles and grandmother of Sibel (whose heirs they are), made in the lifetime of Laderana, when she could not contradict him. From Laderana the right descended to Sibel and Joan, as daughters and heirs; Sibel's purparty descended to Nicholas, as son and heir, and from him to Miles, the plaintiff, as son and heir; Joan's purparty descended to Sibel, the plaintiff, as daughter and heir. Judgment was given for the defendant. W. Paley Baildon, Baildon and the Baildons, vol. 1 (1912), 337. Regards, John