Copy > > I don't have time to go through this in detail, but the dispute was not > over Hervé, a canon at Tours, becoming a monk at 'the Monastery of > Erbrée', rather it was over his giving the church of Erbrée and its > presbyterate to Marmoutier (not 'Martimour') when he became a monk > there. Clarice struck him at the altar when he and Rivallon were saying > mass, and she was whipped for this sacrilege rather than for insolence. > The citation given by Keats-Rohan ('B. N. lat. 5441.3, pp. 295-6') is > not to this charter at all but to to a 17th-century copy of a notice in > the cartulary of Marmoutier that Ralph the Large had given them the > church of Saint-Médard with the assent of his nine sons, as referenced > in your note (f), see > http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9077003n/f161.image.r=latin%205441. > > Peter Stewart Peter, I took another look at this and I think Keats Rohan meant to say 294-6 not 295-6 for (B. N. lat. 5441.3). Pages 294-95 has a shorter copied charter about Hervé and the Monstary of Erbrée mentioning Euen de St Germain which is a modified copy of Rennes, AD Ille-et-Vilaine, 6 H 34 n° 3. The bottom of page 295 has the Charter of Saint-Médard with Ralph the large mentioned with his 9 sons and continues onto page 296. You can disregard my last post about needing another source. Thanks

On 14/05/2016 4:39 PM, Jason Quick via wrote: > Copy >> I don't have time to go through this in detail, but the dispute was not >> over Hervé, a canon at Tours, becoming a monk at 'the Monastery of >> Erbrée', rather it was over his giving the church of Erbrée and its >> presbyterate to Marmoutier (not 'Martimour') when he became a monk >> there. Clarice struck him at the altar when he and Rivallon were saying >> mass, and she was whipped for this sacrilege rather than for insolence. >> The citation given by Keats-Rohan ('B. N. lat. 5441.3, pp. 295-6') is >> not to this charter at all but to to a 17th-century copy of a notice in >> the cartulary of Marmoutier that Ralph the Large had given them the >> church of Saint-Médard with the assent of his nine sons, as referenced >> in your note (f), see >> http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9077003n/f161.image.r=latin%205441. >> >> Peter Stewart > Peter, > > I took another look at this and I think Keats Rohan meant to say 294-6 not 295-6 for (B. N. lat. 5441.3). Pages 294-95 has a shorter copied charter about Hervé and the Monstary of Erbrée mentioning Euen de St Germain which is a modified copy of Rennes, AD Ille-et-Vilaine, 6 H 34 n° 3. The bottom of page 295 has the Charter of Saint-Médard with Ralph the large mentioned with his 9 sons and continues onto page 296. You can disregard my last post about needing another source. > Yes, I beg your pardon I didn't look any further than pp. 295-6. On pp. 294-5 is a copy made by Roger de Gaignières of the cartulary version of the original charter dated 1104 that you already found, http://www.cn-telma.fr/originaux/charte2168/. Peter Stewart