Thanks, Douglas and Doug, for the input on the Thurlands. They do seem like a semi-difficult family. Perhaps the ancestry of Henry Stanhope's mother Elizabeth Talbot of Bashall would lead to something? https://books.google.com/books?id=2_JMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA6&dq=%22henricus+stanhop%22+%22soror+et%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxqty9tsPMAhWGNiYKHeeZBSwQ6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=%22henricus%20stanhop%22%20%22soror%20et%22&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=ykNjAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA239&dq=stanhope+talbot+bashall&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTt9WFts3MAhXERyYKHVNNAkEQ6AEIODAF#v=onepage&q=stanhope%20talbot%20bashall&f=false